citibus
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Post by citibus on Jul 12, 2011 10:47:48 GMT
I don't think that conventional Supertrams are built to "heavy rail" standard are they? If not then mixing "heavy" and "light" rail rolling stock on the same track would probably present a problem to the regulatory authorities ( there is no intention to cease conventional traffic on the line is there?) As for the reduction in numbers scheduled to be bought I would think it was on account of cost. Thanks for the info there Lysander. Was just wondering as although the scheme and infrastructure is to be permanent, I was just wondering if the 4 additional trams had anything to do with this at all, once the tram-trains trial is over after the 3 year period and if conventional trams could also operate along the new route. Could even end up been the original tram-trains vehicles that are continued to be used, if the trial is a success. |
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stug
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Post by stug on Jul 14, 2011 16:50:30 GMT
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Post by spyro2010 on Jul 15, 2011 15:01:24 GMT
Not bad going at all then, but where exactly does this leave the planned system. Is it still just in the planning stage, or have things now progressed on further with this recent announcement? |
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Post by lysander on Jul 15, 2011 15:28:09 GMT
As the article says:" The business case is still being developed to ensure best value for money". However, it is hoped to be "up & running" by 2014.
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Post by tmt on Jul 16, 2011 8:53:14 GMT
Good - progress at last. Interesting to see that they still have 2014 as the 'up and running' time frame. A little optimistic I'd have thought?
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Post by atlantean on Jul 16, 2011 14:00:28 GMT
I agree that the 2014 target is optimistic. The article states that there will be a 20 minute service to Parkgate in Rotherham but does not mention calling at Rotherham Central. The Tram-Train units featured on the Vossloh website are metre gauge but they do look similar in configuration to the current Supertram units. Vossloh Tram-Train data sheetVossloh Tram-Train product page |
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Post by 02southeranc on Jul 16, 2011 19:28:16 GMT
Here's a funny joke:
Imagine if the tram-trains were...built in Britain!
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Post by bigstan on Jul 16, 2011 22:14:58 GMT
Here's a funny joke: Imagine if the tram-trains were...built in Britain! That cracks me up. ;D |
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Post by bigstan on Jul 16, 2011 22:15:13 GMT
Here's a funny joke: Imagine if the tram-trains were...built in Britain! That cracks me up. ;D |
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trent
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Post by trent on Jul 19, 2011 12:17:46 GMT
I agree that the 2014 target is optimistic. The article states that there will be a 20 minute service to Parkgate in Rotherham but does not mention calling at Rotherham Central. The Tram-Train units featured on the Vossloh website are metre gauge but they do look similar in configuration to the current Supertram units. Vossloh Tram-Train data sheetVossloh Tram-Train product pageSounds promising. However when they say 3 tram-trains an hour, I just hope this is a standard 20 minute service and not like the current train network between Rotherham and Sheffield is at the moment, when you have 2 trains arriving within 7 minutes of each other and then nothing for 30+ minutes. |
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orangeline
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Post by orangeline on Jul 20, 2011 21:17:40 GMT
I agree that the 2014 target is optimistic. The article states that there will be a 20 minute service to Parkgate in Rotherham but does not mention calling at Rotherham Central. The Tram-Train units featured on the Vossloh website are metre gauge but they do look similar in configuration to the current Supertram units. Vossloh Tram-Train data sheetVossloh Tram-Train product pageSounds promising. However when they say 3 tram-trains an hour, I just hope this is a standard 20 minute service and not like the current train network between Rotherham and Sheffield is at the moment, when you have 2 trains arriving within 7 minutes of each other and then nothing for 30+ minutes. Well there are no constraints on the line and it avoids Holmes Chord onto the main Sheffield - Rotherham via Meadowhall line, so doesn't have to slot in between those trains, however it will have to have slots between the local trains (3 per hour) that call at Rotherham Central and use the line out towards Parkgate Shopping. Something I myself am quite interested in, is where exactly they are planning to terminate this new service in Sheffield city centre? Plus can it actually make use of the street-running tracks on the tram network, with these vehicles been much heavier than conventional supertram vehicles? |
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Post by swfcforever on Jul 20, 2011 21:48:09 GMT
Cathedral will be terminus I have been informed. Things can chang though.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2011 21:53:04 GMT
Would make sense if it terminated at the Cathederal with the crossover track already in place & used daily with the Purple route.
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Post by alexander on Jul 21, 2011 6:50:32 GMT
The new vehicles maybe lighter than the present trams as they may not have all bogies motored due to there being no steep gradients . The present trams are some of the heaviest in the world , when they weren ew they were the longest ever built .
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Post by madannie77 on Jul 21, 2011 18:22:52 GMT
The new vehicles maybe lighter than the present trams as they may not have all bogies motored due to there being no steep gradients . The present trams are some of the heaviest in the world , when they weren ew they were the longest ever built . The Vossloh product data sheet linked to earlier in this thread by atlantean gives an unladen weight for the tram-train as 60 tonnes, somewhat heavier than a Supertram at 44.5 tonnes. The 60 tonne weight ties in with figures I have seen for other tram-trains. Each of the Sheffield trams is 34.75 metres in length, which is certainly long, but Duewag had built 38.5 metre long trams in 1967 for the Rhein-HaardtBahn in Germany. Bad Durckheim, September 1985: 38.5 metres of tram going round a loop!  |
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