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Post by overground on Apr 19, 2024 21:22:50 GMT
I did hear 17 but that was when they were originally planned for Doncaster so who knows. 35285 at Olive also Doncaster recently gained 37551 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 We know 🙄 |
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Post by overground on Apr 20, 2024 13:58:55 GMT
63901 away for paint
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Post by tom123 on Apr 20, 2024 17:34:33 GMT
thought they were painting the ex leeds streetdecks ? |
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Post by overground on Apr 20, 2024 20:31:02 GMT
thought they were painting the ex leeds streetdecks ? They are, 35273 is there as well almost finished |
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Post by crossscythe on Apr 21, 2024 16:51:35 GMT
I did hear 17 but that was when they were originally planned for Doncaster so who knows. 35285 at Olive also Doncaster recently gained 37551 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 OG set to lose there E400 so take it the streetdecks arriving at OG are to replace og e400 33862 -72 & 33725 The 400s don't need replacing. OG has a plethora of spare vehicles, much more than needed to cover the PVR. The Leeds Streetdecks have been put mainly on route 81/82 which the Enviro 400s seldom formed. |
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Post by TC60054 on Apr 21, 2024 17:25:24 GMT
Doncaster recently gained 37551 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 OG set to lose there E400 so take it the streetdecks arriving at OG are to replace og e400 33862 -72 & 33725 The 400s don't need replacing. OG has a plethora of spare vehicles, much more than needed to cover the PVR. The Leeds Streetdecks have been put mainly on route 81/82 which the Enviro 400s seldom formed. Crossscythe we've previously established on this forum you don't have a clue what you're on about here. I would love to know where this plethora of spare vehicles you keep talking about is when I arrive at work mid-afternoon run out, and there's multiple drivers sat around waiting for buses because there's none available. The Enviro400s are directly being replaced by the Leeds Streetdecks - whilst the Enviros were largely kept captive on 120 services, there's no reason for First to do that with the Streetdecks, so they're operating out of the same pool as all the other Streetdecks, and Geminis, that are in the fleet. Please do yourself, and everyone else, a favour, and please stop with these ridiculous lines - you're not helping yourself and it's tiresome reading your fantasy land rubbish. |
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Post by crossscythe on Apr 21, 2024 17:32:47 GMT
The 400s don't need replacing. OG has a plethora of spare vehicles, much more than needed to cover the PVR. The Leeds Streetdecks have been put mainly on route 81/82 which the Enviro 400s seldom formed. Crossscythe we've previously established on this forum you don't have a clue what you're on about here. I would love to know where this plethora of spare vehicles you keep talking about is when I arrive at work mid-afternoon run out, and there's multiple drivers sat around waiting for buses because there's none available. The Enviro400s are directly being replaced by the Leeds Streetdecks - whilst the Enviros were largely kept captive on 120 services, there's no reason for First to do that with the Streetdecks, so they're operating out of the same pool as all the other Streetdecks, and Geminis, that are in the fleet. Please do yourself, and everyone else, a favour, and please stop with these ridiculous lines - you're not helping yourself and it's tiresome reading your fantasy land rubbish. Wow, what an utterly rude post. If you read this thread you will know that OG has many spare vehicles. |
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Post by TC60054 on Apr 21, 2024 17:41:42 GMT
Crossscythe we've previously established on this forum you don't have a clue what you're on about here. I would love to know where this plethora of spare vehicles you keep talking about is when I arrive at work mid-afternoon run out, and there's multiple drivers sat around waiting for buses because there's none available. The Enviro400s are directly being replaced by the Leeds Streetdecks - whilst the Enviros were largely kept captive on 120 services, there's no reason for First to do that with the Streetdecks, so they're operating out of the same pool as all the other Streetdecks, and Geminis, that are in the fleet. Please do yourself, and everyone else, a favour, and please stop with these ridiculous lines - you're not helping yourself and it's tiresome reading your fantasy land rubbish. Wow, what an utterly rude post. If you read this thread you will know that OG has many spare vehicles. I have read, and contributed, to this thread multiple times. But I know for a fact that just because OG has spare vehicles on paper does not translate to spare vehicles in practice. We are short of buses on a daily basis, and removing an entire micro fleet of buses without replacement will make one of the group's worst performing depots for reliability even worse. Please stop contributing rubbish. |
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Post by crossscythe on Apr 21, 2024 19:13:26 GMT
hopefully some replacements for OG sometime in future since they lost 37259 , 37478 & 84 I don’t know how many times you’ve been told on here, OG are running a higher number of vehicles than what they should be, so there not going to replace supernumerary vehicles. If you have, for example, 13 vehicles, and only need 10, 3 are eventually going to end up leaving unless the PVR increases, and suddenly you need 13 or more vehicles. Sorry to quote you Metro, but a rather rude individual is arguing about Olive Grove's fleet size and I think this post will strengthen my argument that they don't need to acquire replacements for the Enviro400s. |
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Post by TC60054 on Apr 21, 2024 19:17:12 GMT
I don’t know how many times you’ve been told on here, OG are running a higher number of vehicles than what they should be, so there not going to replace supernumerary vehicles. If you have, for example, 13 vehicles, and only need 10, 3 are eventually going to end up leaving unless the PVR increases, and suddenly you need 13 or more vehicles. Sorry to quote you Metro, but a rather rude individual is arguing about Olive Grove's fleet size and I think this post will strengthen my argument that they don't need to acquire replacements for the Enviro400s. I can full well guarantee you that whilst Olive Grove has too many vehicles on paper they don't in practice - this has largely been a thing especially with the amount of Streetlites / Streetdecks that have been VOR recently requiring engine work. The difference is, even on paper, Olive are not twelve vehicles up on paper, and that's why they're being replaced by ex Leeds Streetdecks. You'd receive a better reception from members on this forum if you reported actual facts rather than stuff you make up in your head, and you stop posting the same things over and over again. Let me off this merry go round... |
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Post by crossscythe on Apr 21, 2024 19:19:31 GMT
Wow, what an utterly rude post. If you read this thread you will know that OG has many spare vehicles. I have read, and contributed, to this thread multiple times. But I know for a fact that just because OG has spare vehicles on paper does not translate to spare vehicles in practice. We are short of buses on a daily basis, and removing an entire micro fleet of buses without replacement will make one of the group's worst performing depots for reliability even worse. Please stop contributing rubbish. I am not spouting rubbish. Spare vehicles are expensive to keep in servicable condition when they don't return a penny to the company. See the post I have quoted. The Streetdecks may have come to Sheffield but are obviously not a like for like replacement for the Enviros. Olive Grove are just waiting on the return of some vehicles that have required attention, such as 63902. I am told the PVR has increased slightly but with a 30% surplus of stock anyway, a handful of non-standard vehicles will not require immediate replacement. You talk as though you are an emoloyee of First Group. That may be true, it may not be. This is an anonymous forum and nobody is confirmed as holding any more authority over another. We also don't throw around insults on here, that's not how we do it. I won't be replying to any more of your posts as I won't tolerate rude and disrespectful behaviour. |
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Post by TC60054 on Apr 21, 2024 19:27:32 GMT
I have read, and contributed, to this thread multiple times. But I know for a fact that just because OG has spare vehicles on paper does not translate to spare vehicles in practice. We are short of buses on a daily basis, and removing an entire micro fleet of buses without replacement will make one of the group's worst performing depots for reliability even worse. Please stop contributing rubbish. I am not spouting rubbish. Spare vehicles are expensive to keep in servicable condition when they don't return a penny to the company. See the post I have quoted. The Streetdecks may have come to Sheffield but are obviously not a like for like replacement for the Enviros. Olive Grove are just waiting on the return of some vehicles that have required attention, such as 63902. I am told the PVR has increased slightly but with a 30% surplus of stock anyway, a handful of non-standard vehicles will not require immediate replacement. You talk as though you are an emoloyee of First Group. That may be true, it may not be. This is an anonymous forum and nobody is confirmed as holding any more authority over another. We also don't throw around insults on here, that's not how we do it. I won't be replying to any more of your posts as I won't tolerate rude and disrespectful behaviour. Olive Grove is running nowhere near 30% spares - we have a PVR of around 180, a fleet of around 210, leaving around 30 spares. That's assuming that everything is available and on road, which, as you say, it is not. Can I just remind you however, you were suggesting not long back, that the fleet should be doubled so that minibuses could run on services at night rather than double deckers because it would be more profitable? You're welcome to think that anything that I've said has been rude or disrespectful; but it has not. No insults have been thrown and none will be, although you're welcome to throw them at yourself if you wish to make you feel yourself the victim. |
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Post by overground on Apr 21, 2024 19:31:22 GMT
Also VOR long term: 37541/63107/69504/69525 engines, 35125 gearbox
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Post by The Captain on Apr 21, 2024 20:01:30 GMT
Also VOR long term: 37541/63107/69504/69525 engines, 35125 gearbox About 79ks worth of units required then. The fleet spares percentage has always hovered around 13% and that was too much for various EDs who wanted it nearer 11%. All these figures are inconsequential when you thrust redundancy on an already depleted workforce with low morale. |
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Post by dougie on Apr 21, 2024 22:44:47 GMT
The Streetdecks may have come to Sheffield but are obviously not a like for like replacement for the Enviros A similar number of 2017 double deckers replace 2014 double deckers, that feels a fairly like for like replacement to me (as the fleet is gradually aging) And this at a time when the PVRs are slowly increasing (e.g. the 52a needs an extra vehicle to cover the half hourly Loxley extension) Of course there are some buses sat at Olive Grove/ Leger Way off peak but some of these are long term problems requiring thousands of pounds to fix, as one of them are used in the peaks, some of them are required on school duties … And that’s on top of the regular “spares” that any garage would need Just In Case Plus, with the movements caused by Manchester tenders (meaning First vacated Oldham, so various buses were cascaded around the UK), you’re probably going to have an above average number of buses required in the paint shops and in driver training at the moment I don’t know the total numbers, I’m not going to pretend I do (AB’s nobody would be impressed if I guessed!), but I trust the patient explanations given in this thread. Given how “carefully managed” any “surplus resources” are by big modern companies, and how a scrape like the recent one on West Street can take multiple vehicles out of service, i think the problem is insufficient spares, not too many |
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