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Post by simonk82701 on Feb 3, 2019 19:25:43 GMT
Oh Powells have got it, That explains things, it's sown as being withdrawn by TM Travel under their address. That's why its in the withdrawn section. The one I saw anyway. Thanks for correcting me
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Post by busworld7736 on Feb 4, 2019 19:40:04 GMT
Oh Powells have got it, That explains things, it's sown as being withdrawn by TM Travel under their address. That's why its in the withdrawn section. The one I saw anyway. Thanks for correcting me If thats cause it would say thats its being run by Powells but it doesnt say as all the changes are on Travel South Yorkshire website |
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Post by simonk82701 on Feb 6, 2019 19:42:37 GMT
Do you know, I am shocked. There was a poster in Forge Island bus station Powells have got the A1 according to that poster and unless I have missed something TM travel have virtually pulled out of Rotherham in the daytime. 227 gone, 31 gone A1 to Meadowhall gone. the only daytime service they appear to have kept is the 20 to Rotherham. The early morning and evening services seem ok. I am guessing they have lost some tenders but I am still shocked at the number of services that have gone to other operators or been withdrawn completely. They have also lost a service in Chesterfield
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Post by tomtom11928 on Feb 6, 2019 21:32:53 GMT
Do you know, I am shocked. There was a poster in Forge Island bus station Powells have got the A1 according to that poster and unless I have missed something TM travel have virtually pulled out of Rotherham in the daytime. 227 gone, 31 gone A1 to Meadowhall gone. the only daytime service they appear to have kept is the 20 to Rotherham. The early morning and evening services seem ok. I am guessing they have lost some tenders but I am still shocked at the number of services that have gone to other operators or been withdrawn completely. They have also lost a service in Chesterfield It's clear by the cut backs that Rotherham simply isn't profitable anymore. The marginal routes have become too marginal |
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Post by duncan on Feb 7, 2019 6:31:23 GMT
Do you know, I am shocked. There was a poster in Forge Island bus station Powells have got the A1 according to that poster and unless I have missed something TM travel have virtually pulled out of Rotherham in the daytime. 227 gone, 31 gone A1 to Meadowhall gone. the only daytime service they appear to have kept is the 20 to Rotherham. The early morning and evening services seem ok. I am guessing they have lost some tenders but I am still shocked at the number of services that have gone to other operators or been withdrawn completely. They have also lost a service in Chesterfield It's clear by the cut backs that Rotherham simply isn't profitable anymore. The marginal routes have become too marginal The whole Rotherham network badly needs an overhaul. Large parts of it have not changed for many years and it shows. Some well thought out revisions would provide a decent and sustainable network but it would appear that the philosophy now and for several Years is the same as the old Blazefield one. Sell, dont fix. |
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Post by dougie on Feb 7, 2019 8:17:29 GMT
Do you know, I am shocked. There was a poster in Forge Island bus station Powells have got the A1 according to that poster and unless I have missed something TM travel have virtually pulled out of Rotherham in the daytime. 227 gone, 31 gone A1 to Meadowhall gone. the only daytime service they appear to have kept is the 20 to Rotherham. The early morning and evening services seem ok. I am guessing they have lost some tenders but I am still shocked at the number of services that have gone to other operators or been withdrawn completely. They have also lost a service in Chesterfield It's clear by the cut backs that Rotherham simply isn't profitable anymore. The marginal routes have become too marginal What surprises me is that TM have decided that Rotherham isn't profitable enough for them to run Solos around but First (with their higher cost base) will be increasing their presence in some areas - I could understand if First were pulling out of bits of the town (e.g. given that quite a few people live within relative walking distance of the centre, so are unlikely to pay £1.50 for a short bus ride) but it seems to be the other way round - not enough money for TM to get sufficient bums on seats on a Solo but First will continue to run double deckers. |
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Post by simonk82701 on Feb 7, 2019 9:45:20 GMT
It's clear by the cut backs that Rotherham simply isn't profitable anymore. The marginal routes have become too marginal What surprises me is that TM have decided that Rotherham isn't profitable enough for them to run Solos around but First (with their higher cost base) will be increasing their presence in some areas - I could understand if First were pulling out of bits of the town (e.g. given that quite a few people live within relative walking distance of the centre, so are unlikely to pay £1.50 for a short bus ride) but it seems to be the other way round - not enough money for TM to get sufficient bums on seats on a Solo but First will continue to run double deckers. I agree, it could be that First are able to combine services and running boards to run services in a more economic way. Maybe Tm who have a much smaller staff base simply don't have the staff volumes to cope. If you look at Sunday running for example, a driver might be on the road doing serval different services all linked together for 5 hours plus. However in the daytime a Tm driver will not have the work to combine, making staffing unviable. |
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Post by tomtom11928 on Feb 7, 2019 13:32:10 GMT
Interesting though that in other areas First aren't making ends meet - I no longer reside in SY and now live in the dark side in Manchester, where First are purportedly looking for a buyer for that operation. Amazes me that they can't make Manchester work but are making Rotherham still work-ish.
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Post by simonk82701 on Feb 7, 2019 19:39:10 GMT
Interesting though that in other areas First aren't making ends meet - I no longer reside in SY and now live in the dark side in Manchester, where First are purportedly looking for a buyer for that operation. Amazes me that they can't make Manchester work but are making Rotherham still work-ish. I have to say I had exactly the same thought! Although the Manchester situation is not confirmed, and has (I think) been denied, a large city like Manchester shouldn't be a problem for a large firm. Maybe Manchester has too many operators. Who knows... I could be wrong but it wouldn't surprise me if there is a further reorganisation of routes in SY in the next six months or so. Last year I submitted an FOI request and from memory I think some tenders are up in October 2019! |
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Post by dougie on Feb 7, 2019 21:01:24 GMT
What surprises me is that TM have decided that Rotherham isn't profitable enough for them to run Solos around but First (with their higher cost base) will be increasing their presence in some areas - I could understand if First were pulling out of bits of the town (e.g. given that quite a few people live within relative walking distance of the centre, so are unlikely to pay £1.50 for a short bus ride) but it seems to be the other way round - not enough money for TM to get sufficient bums on seats on a Solo but First will continue to run double deckers. I agree, it could be that First are able to combine services and running boards to run services in a more economic way. Maybe Tm who have a much smaller staff base simply don't have the staff volumes to cope. If you look at Sunday running for example, a driver might be on the road doing serval different services all linked together for 5 hours plus. However in the daytime a Tm driver will not have the work to combine, making staffing unviable. Good point - like the Sunday duties that mean taking the 57a from Hillsborough round Oughtabridge and back, then over to Rotherham via High Green as a 135... very tightly resourced... maybe a simple stand-alone route like the 31 in Rotherham doesn't allow them such economies? |
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Post by tomtom11928 on Feb 7, 2019 22:24:21 GMT
I agree, it could be that First are able to combine services and running boards to run services in a more economic way. Maybe Tm who have a much smaller staff base simply don't have the staff volumes to cope. If you look at Sunday running for example, a driver might be on the road doing serval different services all linked together for 5 hours plus. However in the daytime a Tm driver will not have the work to combine, making staffing unviable. Good point - like the Sunday duties that mean taking the 57a from Hillsborough round Oughtabridge and back, then over to Rotherham via High Green as a 135... very tightly resourced... maybe a simple stand-alone route like the 31 in Rotherham doesn't allow them such economies? All the services were self contained essentially in Rotherham for TM, interworking with themselves in the daytime, so other than a major timetable recast or a massive boost in their routes, it would be quite difficult. The potential for delays was quite large too, especially with the 20 as it served mainly backwater country roads as I'm sure you know. It's the same in Sheffield too, where each route has it's own little requirements and nuances which made it quite a unique network. Sporadic, but unique. |
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Post by micketh on Feb 8, 2019 15:27:06 GMT
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Post by micketh on Feb 8, 2019 15:30:30 GMT
Powells bus confirm withdrawal of 87 service... no update within the message as to X7 changes... www.powellsbus.co.uk/ |
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Post by simonk82701 on Feb 8, 2019 18:29:59 GMT
According to a the new timetable the service 136 will operate on a Sunday so maybe the public consultation made a difference meaning I guess that the Hoyland Sunday service is maintained
file:///C:/Users/Simon%20Key/AppData/Local/Packages/Microsoft.MicrosoftEdge_8wekyb3d8bbwe/TempState/Downloads/136%20Rotherham%20valid%20from%2003%20March%202019%20(PDF)%20(1).pdf
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Post by duncan on Feb 9, 2019 23:27:55 GMT
Good point - like the Sunday duties that mean taking the 57a from Hillsborough round Oughtabridge and back, then over to Rotherham via High Green as a 135... very tightly resourced... maybe a simple stand-alone route like the 31 in Rotherham doesn't allow them such economies? You have to remember the 31 has been tried and failed with First, Veolia and now TM. I think there is a message there. There is no demand for a service from Brinsworth to meadowhall. The withdrawal of the 87 gives more evidence of this and the repeated retraction of Firsts services on that corridor bear it out. |
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