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Post by simonk82701 on May 31, 2020 17:43:08 GMT
Interestingly SEM are still only running one 22 per hour, although they have increased 19's to every 30 minutes and some local runs in Worksop to every 30 minutes. I hope things change by June 15 if the shops open because I can see problems if not! Also Stagecoach Yorkshire Sheffield/Doncaster seem to have reinstated most evening trips. SEM haven't. Hope this isn't a sign of the future! 19 is every 20 mins not 30 but I do not get why 65 still has no service 19 was fine at one an hour as I have to catch this it isn't busy enough for every 20 mins plus 22 is alternative even if they are same time and 72/73. 65 helps keep people off the 81/82 and 66 so should be reinstated by First. No I don't mean Doncaster 19's I mean Rotherham to Worksop 19's, They will now operate every 30 minutes, but the 22 will only operate hourly most of the day! |
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Post by donc on May 31, 2020 18:33:44 GMT
19 is every 20 mins not 30 but I do not get why 65 still has no service 19 was fine at one an hour as I have to catch this it isn't busy enough for every 20 mins plus 22 is alternative even if they are same time and 72/73. 65 helps keep people off the 81/82 and 66 so should be reinstated by First. No I don't mean Doncaster 19's I mean Rotherham to Worksop 19's, They will now operate every 30 minutes, but the 22 will only operate hourly most of the day! Oops sorry that's what happens when they use same numbers everywhere. |
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Post by simonk82701 on May 31, 2020 18:46:53 GMT
No I don't mean Doncaster 19's I mean Rotherham to Worksop 19's, They will now operate every 30 minutes, but the 22 will only operate hourly most of the day! Oops sorry that's what happens when they use same numbers everywhere. Yes I know, it's easy done! Don't worry it's hard to keep up with everything at the moment. The situation with the 22 seems odd. Although SYPTE did say they think there will be further changes from June 15. Subject to the government easing things further. |
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Post by jakerton43 on May 31, 2020 19:16:15 GMT
Service changes from 1 June 2020 are now online on Travel South Yorkshire. Hidden away in the details, it looks as though the following services are to be withdrawn on a permanent basis. First - 14 Doncaster to Edlington First - 86/86A Thorne town circulars Stagecoach - 70 Doncaster to Lakeside P&R Stagecoach - SL1/SL1A Middlewood to Stocksbridge Stagecoach - X1 Chesterfield to Nottingham Stagecoach - X2 Sheffield to Barnsley Stagecoach - X6 Sheffield to Doncaster Sheffield Airport Stagecoach - X20 Doncaster to Barnsley Details of all changes and timetables available at: www.travelsouthyorkshire.com/servicechanges-june20/P&R 70 was due to be withdrawn in September but now withdrawn instead. |
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Post by syjunkie on May 31, 2020 19:25:09 GMT
Service changes from 1 June 2020 are now online on Travel South Yorkshire. Hidden away in the details, it looks as though the following services are to be withdrawn on a permanent basis. First - 14 Doncaster to Edlington First - 86/86A Thorne town circulars Stagecoach - 70 Doncaster to Lakeside P&R Stagecoach - SL1/SL1A Middlewood to Stocksbridge Stagecoach - X1 Chesterfield to Nottingham Stagecoach - X2 Sheffield to Barnsley Stagecoach - X6 Sheffield to Doncaster Sheffield Airport Stagecoach - X20 Doncaster to Barnsley Details of all changes and timetables available at: www.travelsouthyorkshire.com/servicechanges-june20/P&R 70 was due to be withdrawn in September but now withdrawn instead. Any idea what will happen with the x6 and 70 branded fleet members? Hopefully will stay at rawmarsh |
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Post by ady1977 on May 31, 2020 20:32:37 GMT
what will happen with the chesterfield x1 scanias if the service has been withdrawn..and has there been any fleet changes at chesterfield
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Post by donc on May 31, 2020 21:08:27 GMT
Service changes from 1 June 2020 are now online on Travel South Yorkshire. Hidden away in the details, it looks as though the following services are to be withdrawn on a permanent basis. First - 14 Doncaster to Edlington First - 86/86A Thorne town circulars Stagecoach - 70 Doncaster to Lakeside P&R Stagecoach - SL1/SL1A Middlewood to Stocksbridge Stagecoach - X1 Chesterfield to Nottingham Stagecoach - X2 Sheffield to Barnsley Stagecoach - X6 Sheffield to Doncaster Sheffield Airport Stagecoach - X20 Doncaster to Barnsley Details of all changes and timetables available at: www.travelsouthyorkshire.com/servicechanges-june20/P&R 70 was due to be withdrawn in September but now withdrawn instead. Will 65 and 66a return or do you think maybe Wheatley Hills could get a rerouted 84 or 87 and could 66a be re routed via Sandringham Road, they seem to be stalling over these two routes. |
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Post by donnyboy on May 31, 2020 22:11:04 GMT
P&R 70 was due to be withdrawn in September but now withdrawn instead. Will 65 and 66a return or do you think maybe Wheatley Hills could get a rerouted 84 or 87 and could 66a be re routed via Sandringham Road, they seem to be stalling over these two routes. I don't think they're stalling. Seeing as the 65 is terminated at Silver Jubilee Close, a large proportion of elderly residents use the route have been listed as vulnerable to corona during the lockdown. And considering the stay at home as much as possible advice is still (supposed) to be followed the 65 probably isn't seen as essential at this time, I doubt it's worth running tbh. Apparently bus companies will be reviewing their guidelines as the weeks progress so I guess it will be a case of seeing what happens. |
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Post by donc on May 31, 2020 22:40:08 GMT
Will 65 and 66a return or do you think maybe Wheatley Hills could get a rerouted 84 or 87 and could 66a be re routed via Sandringham Road, they seem to be stalling over these two routes. I don't think they're stalling. Seeing as the 65 is terminated at Silver Jubilee Close, a large proportion of elderly residents use the route have been listed as vulnerable to corona during the lockdown. And considering the stay at home as much as possible advice is still (supposed) to be followed the 65 probably isn't seen as essential at this time, I doubt it's worth running tbh. Apparently bus companies will be reviewing their guidelines as the weeks progress so I guess it will be a case of seeing what happens. Well over 70s who have no health issues are not shielding so they have a right to a bus as much as anyone, secondly people on Sandringham Road are not all elderly and have a right to a service as well. As I have said 65 can take pressure off 81/82 and 66 at Lonsdale and Town Moor so with reduced capacity it might help Armthorpe users. As a user of 19 and 65 I can tell you 65 has more users than 19 ever does yet 19 gets a more frequent service. |
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Post by jakerton43 on May 31, 2020 23:47:00 GMT
P&R 70 was due to be withdrawn in September but now withdrawn instead. Any idea what will happen with the x6 and 70 branded fleet members? Hopefully will stay at rawmarsh Scanias parked up since 7th April, not sure what will happen to them tbh but 37089/90 both been in service every day as they are more fuel efficient than MAN’s which return in service tomorrow. |
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Post by donnyboy on Jun 1, 2020 8:50:44 GMT
I don't think they're stalling. Seeing as the 65 is terminated at Silver Jubilee Close, a large proportion of elderly residents use the route have been listed as vulnerable to corona during the lockdown. And considering the stay at home as much as possible advice is still (supposed) to be followed the 65 probably isn't seen as essential at this time, I doubt it's worth running tbh. Apparently bus companies will be reviewing their guidelines as the weeks progress so I guess it will be a case of seeing what happens. Well over 70s who have no health issues are not shielding so they have a right to a bus as much as anyone, secondly people on Sandringham Road are not all elderly and have a right to a service as well. As I have said 65 can take pressure off 81/82 and 66 at Lonsdale and Town Moor so with reduced capacity it might help Armthorpe users. As a user of 19 and 65 I can tell you 65 has more users than 19 ever does yet 19 gets a more frequent service. No one is saying they don't have a right to a service, but honestly we are in the midst of a pandemic and services will not return to normality any time soon due to social distancing measures. This isn't and SHOULDN'T be an argument about who has a regular bus service at present and who doesn't, it's about commence sense and pooling resources. At the end of the day the 65 isn't an essential route, i live on it's route and have over the years witnesses it on many occasions throughout the day running empty. of course it has its moments when it is full, but let's not pretend it's always packed. Sandringham Road has also declined in the number of people using it, as the short walk to much more frequent services. Many a time i've caught that service and we have sailed down Sandringham without stopping once. I may also add that just because people who are not shielding anymore or who may have no health issues (including the over 70s) does not mean that all of a sudden they will all shoot out to ride the buses. I'm pretty sure caution will play a big part in the decisions made by many on whether to go out more as resources start to open up again. After all, the death rate may be dropping (not enough if you ask me), but infection rate is still rife and that is the major concern. Operating a bus service just for the sake of it being available now is not a necessity. But as I have said, operators are looking at what happens over the next few weeks, and if they decide the call and need for the 65 to return is there, then so be it. |
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Post by jakerton43 on Jun 1, 2020 9:55:23 GMT
Well over 70s who have no health issues are not shielding so they have a right to a bus as much as anyone, secondly people on Sandringham Road are not all elderly and have a right to a service as well. As I have said 65 can take pressure off 81/82 and 66 at Lonsdale and Town Moor so with reduced capacity it might help Armthorpe users. As a user of 19 and 65 I can tell you 65 has more users than 19 ever does yet 19 gets a more frequent service. No one is saying they don't have a right to a service, but honestly we are in the midst of a pandemic and services will not return to normality any time soon due to social distancing measures. This isn't and SHOULDN'T be an argument about who has a regular bus service at present and who doesn't, it's about commence sense and pooling resources. At the end of the day the 65 isn't an essential route, i live on it's route and have over the years witnesses it on many occasions throughout the day running empty. of course it has its moments when it is full, but let's not pretend it's always packed. Sandringham Road has also declined in the number of people using it, as the short walk to much more frequent services. Many a time i've caught that service and we have sailed down Sandringham without stopping once. I may also add that just because people who are not shielding anymore or who may have no health issues (including the over 70s) does not mean that all of a sudden they will all shoot out to ride the buses. I'm pretty sure caution will play a big part in the decisions made by many on whether to go out more as resources start to open up again. After all, the death rate may be dropping (not enough if you ask me), but infection rate is still rife and that is the major concern. Operating a bus service just for the sake of it being available now is not a necessity. But as I have said, operators are looking at what happens over the next few weeks, and if they decide the call and need for the 65 to return is there, then so be it. Nobody is going to run an empty bus especially given the current situation, without some kind of funding. |
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Post by donnyboy on Jun 1, 2020 10:11:38 GMT
No one is saying they don't have a right to a service, but honestly we are in the midst of a pandemic and services will not return to normality any time soon due to social distancing measures. This isn't and SHOULDN'T be an argument about who has a regular bus service at present and who doesn't, it's about commence sense and pooling resources. At the end of the day the 65 isn't an essential route, i live on it's route and have over the years witnesses it on many occasions throughout the day running empty. of course it has its moments when it is full, but let's not pretend it's always packed. Sandringham Road has also declined in the number of people using it, as the short walk to much more frequent services. Many a time i've caught that service and we have sailed down Sandringham without stopping once. I may also add that just because people who are not shielding anymore or who may have no health issues (including the over 70s) does not mean that all of a sudden they will all shoot out to ride the buses. I'm pretty sure caution will play a big part in the decisions made by many on whether to go out more as resources start to open up again. After all, the death rate may be dropping (not enough if you ask me), but infection rate is still rife and that is the major concern. Operating a bus service just for the sake of it being available now is not a necessity. But as I have said, operators are looking at what happens over the next few weeks, and if they decide the call and need for the 65 to return is there, then so be it. Nobody is going to run an empty bus especially given the current situation, without some kind of funding. Absolutely |
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Post by simonk82701 on Jun 1, 2020 10:50:05 GMT
Nobody is going to run an empty bus especially given the current situation, without some kind of funding. Absolutely I have said before, the government will need to step up, and sort this out through track and trace. A grip is needed quickly. Buses where possible should be running above normal levels at the taxpayers expense to help get the economy moving again. The government want us all to return to work with buses running at 20% of their normal compacity. Yah right, it cannot happen. It needs to make a choice and quickly, do we limit contact and have the economy fudged for years? Or do we increase infrastructure, to maintain social distancing and safety and pay for that consequence? People need to be able to start spending again to get things moving, and a lot of those people cannot drive. I am also disabled and cannot walk far! I personally would have been happy for a strict lockdown for a further four weeks to bring cases down further, but we are where we are! If the government want a "new normal" fine step up and fund a return to full timetables from tomorrow, including night services for shifts to be staggered. Also make sure companies can access full PPE for driving staff. Otherwise wait until the figures improve but you cannot have both! As it stands my last bus is 19:10 when it should normally be 22:10! |
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Post by donc on Jun 1, 2020 10:50:45 GMT
Nobody is going to run an empty bus especially given the current situation, without some kind of funding. Absolutely First do it everyday with 19 |
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