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Post by mojoe44 on Sept 12, 2022 19:15:55 GMT
Stagecoach changes in South Yorkshire from the 2nd of October as follows:
Sheffield
1a – City – Herdings – award of early morning tendered trips from First. Ecclesfield depot will run this service.
6 – Rerouted to serve Greystones Road and Bents Green, replacing First service 83. Timetable revised.
25 – Revised timetable with all journeys terminate at Bradway (Mother Redcap). Longford Road will no longer be served. Award of tendered evening trips from First. Stagecoach will operate all journeys on this service.
30 – Crystal Peaks – City - Hallamshire Hospital: gain of early morning tendered trips from TM Travel (one on Mondays to Fridays, four on Saturdays). Holbrook depot will run this service.
44 – Rerouted via Prospect Road instead of Dronfield bypass. Sheepbridge Industrial Estate will still be served at peak times.
50/50a - Chesterfield to Sheffield; Times changed. Buses will serve all stops between Birley and Sheffield.
50 – rerouted to use West Street instead of Ravencar Road in Eckington and between Eckington and Mosborough to use Rotherham Road/Station Road instead of Windmill Greenway/High Street.
50a – rerouted to use Stone Lane instead of Highland Road in New Whittington, West Street instead of Ravencar Road in Eckington and between Eckington and Mosborough to use Rotherham Road/Station Road instead of Sheffield Road/High Street.
52 – Monday to Saturday evening timetable revised.
57 – A revised timetable and route will be introduced, with buses operating every half hour Monday to Saturday daytimes and hourly in the evenings and on Sundays. Stagecoach will operate all journeys on this service. The route towards Stocksbridge will be as follows: as current 57 as far as Dykes Hall Road, then Langsett Avenue, A6102 Middlewood Road, Carr Road, Wood Royd Road, Armitage Road, Lee Avenue, Bocking Hill, Nanny Hill, Manchester Road, Hole House Lane, Shay House Lane, Pot House Lane, Cedar Road, Coal Pit Lane, Brackenmoor Lane, Victoria Road, Hole House Lane, Manchester Road, then Park Drive, Sitwell Avenue, or Smithy Moor Lane depending on terminus. Towards Sheffield - Unsliven Road or Moorland Drive, Oaks Avenue, Rydal Avenue, Park Drive then Manchester Road, Hole House Lane, Shay House Lane, Pot House Lane, Cedar Road, Coal Pit Lane, Brackenmoor Lane, Victoria Road, Hole House Lane, Manchester Road, Nanny Hill, Bocking Hill, Lee Avenue, Armitage Road, Wood Royd Road, Carr Road, A6102 Middlewood Road, Langsett Avenue, Dykes Hall Road and resume current 57 route. Evening and Sunday buses will serve both the Leisure Centre and Unsliven Bridge. During Monday to Saturday daytimes they will alternate to match the current hourly provision to each.
72/72a – Route formalised to serve Tankersley Lane and Olympus Way with minor timing changes.
80/80a - Revised timetable on Monday to Friday afternoons.
83a – Service revised to operate every 30 minutes. First service 83 will no longer run. Sunday 83 will operate as 83a.
86 – Chapeltown - City – award of early morning and evening tendered trips from First. Stagecoach will operate all journeys on this service.
120 – Revised timetable in the evenings and on Sundays.
137 – Rotherham – Sheffield via Kimberworth, Wincobank, Meadowhall and Grimesthorpe: gain of Monday to Saturday daytime tendered service from First. Rawmarsh depot will run this service.
SL1/SL1a – Service withdrawn (see service 57 for replacement).
Barnsley, Doncaster, Rotherham and Dearne Valley
21 – Rotherham – Harthill via Whiston, Swallownest, Aston and Wales: gain of Monday to Saturday daytime tendered service from First. Rawmarsh depot will run this service.
72/72a - Route formalised to serve Tankersley Lane and Olympus Way with minor timing changes.
135 – Rotherham – Chapeltown via Kimberworth: gain of Monday to Saturday daytime tendered service from First. Rawmarsh depot will run this service.
137 – Rotherham – Sheffield via Kimberworth, Wincobank, Meadowhall and Grimesthorpe: gain of Monday to Saturday daytime tendered service from First. Rawmarsh depot will run this service.
220 – Service withdrawn.
222 – Service withdrawn (see 223 for a part replacement).
223 – Newhill – Wath – Wombwell – Aldham House: gain of new Monday to Saturday daytime tendered service, running hourly. Provides a partial replacement for First services 22a/22c (which are withdrawn) in Newhill and for service 222 at Aldham House. Route is from Newhill via Quarry Hill Road, Sandygate, Burman Road, Doncaster Road, Biscay Way, Montgomery Road, Church Street, West Street, Biscay Way, Station Road, Manvers Way, Dearne Valley Parkway, Wath Road, Park Street, High Street, Barnsley Road, Pearson Crescent, Aldham House Lane, Wilson Street, Barnsley Road, High Street, Park Street, Wath Road, Dearne Valley Parkway, Manvers Way, Station Road, Biscay Way, Montgomery Road, Church Street, West Street, Biscay Way, Doncaster Road, Burman Road, Festival Road and Cemetery Road to Quarry Hill Road. Rawmarsh depot will run this service.
X10 – The last two remaining journeys are withdrawn.
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Post by simonk82701 on Sept 12, 2022 20:10:00 GMT
Good grief, Have First kept any tendered work? Some of these changes are really dramatic are they not? First giving up the 83. I wonder if the 120 and 52 will still be shared or if SSY have them all now? Wow!
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Post by The Captain on Sept 12, 2022 21:19:23 GMT
Good grief, Have First kept any tendered work? Some of these changes are really dramatic are they not? First giving up the 83. I wonder if the 120 and 52 will still be shared or if SSY have them all now? Wow! Dramatics not the word, all will be revealed soon. |
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Post by The Captain on Sept 12, 2022 21:23:21 GMT
According to the Traffic Commissioner, service 73/74 Cristal Peak’s is cancelled. Around 2 weeks to go and still no new timetables. The passenger is let down by all parties and the last to know yet again! Retained as well as Mansfields 53 after some tender issues. |
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Post by simonk82701 on Sept 12, 2022 22:08:24 GMT
Good grief, Have First kept any tendered work? Some of these changes are really dramatic are they not? First giving up the 83. I wonder if the 120 and 52 will still be shared or if SSY have them all now? Wow! Dramatics not the word, all will be revealed soon. Sorry I think SYPTE are taking the micky here. I know someone who works at Meadowhall and catches the 137 home in the evening. for example. Has the evening/Sunday service been lost with the words daytime tender being used? It's just over two weeks away for goodness' sake. We have no timetables for future planning. The one's I need to know about as quickly as possible are the 120, 29A, 22, 19A 30/30A, x54/5, 7 and 8. If SSY have gained some early morning 30's is that the evening and Sunday service gone? Sorry, this is not aimed at anyone on here, the whole situation is farcical and unfair. Timetables should have been available weeks ago to allow people to make decisions. Employers and employees require notice. I can see some people finding on the 2nd October that their bus to work is no longer there. The operators are just as bad, they are supposed to work closely with SYPTE. No one has any urgency about the matter! Oh, will let the passengers know on the 30th of September, they will be okay! Well, no we won't in fact some of us are quite worried. |
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Post by xtopher on Sept 12, 2022 22:18:19 GMT
Agree totally with this.
When are FSY going to declare their hand as to what they are running, or should we believe that there are going to be some significant losses for them in South Yorkshire?
Agreed that the wording for the 137 doesn't sound positive for beyond daylight hours.
Sooner these TTs get pushed out, the better.
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Post by The Captain on Sept 12, 2022 23:01:30 GMT
It ain't looking good for evenings and Sundays at all.
Might be a turning point in who the bigger provider is in Sheffield SSY or FSY?.
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Post by The Captain on Sept 12, 2022 23:09:10 GMT
Good grief, Have First kept any tendered work? Some of these changes are really dramatic are they not? First giving up the 83. I wonder if the 120 and 52 will still be shared or if SSY have them all now? Wow! 52a and 120 are too busy in the daytime to drop to one operator, evenings and Sundays are different. |
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Post by The Captain on Sept 12, 2022 23:37:09 GMT
Here's an interesting quote from the latest SOES magazine:
"South Yorkshire PTEs budget to support the bus network in the year April 2022 to March 2023 is £11.9 million.
It would, however, cost £23 million to buy back all the services which operators have, or plan to, withdraw".
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Post by simonk82701 on Sept 13, 2022 5:54:16 GMT
Here's an interesting quote from the latest SOES magazine: "South Yorkshire PTEs budget to support the bus network in the year April 2022 to March 2023 is £11.9 million. It would, however, cost £23 million to buy back all the services which operators have, or plan to, withdraw". That was quoted by the PTE to. But I don't know if that is the case now, as the Gov put another £130 million in. I don't know how this is divided up though. Many services in Manchester have been "saved" apparently. |
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Post by alexander on Sept 13, 2022 6:31:59 GMT
I am surprised buses will be using Langsett Avenue on the 57 route which is very steep.
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Post by duncan on Sept 13, 2022 7:27:04 GMT
It ain't looking good for evenings and Sundays at all. Might be a turning point in who the bigger provider is in Sheffield SSY or FSY?. A lot will come down to the ability to procure drivers. There are many alternatives to bus driving now, many of which have better pay and conditions. |
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Post by simonk82701 on Sept 13, 2022 9:09:08 GMT
I have just had a pleasant convocation with a senior gentleman at SYPTE. It appears that the problem is that there are different funding pots. Not just SYPTE'S funding, but also funding that has gone direct to the bus operators. Operators have been deciding what to run with their portion of the new £130 million total government funding that was announced recently. However, because it took the government a while to decide what they were going to do, funding decisions had to be changed at the last minute. There has to be a better way to do things than this, too many fingers in one pie. As I pointed out, passengers seem to be the last to know in this mess. Driver shortages are also an issue which means work is being turned down, even if founds are available companies may not want it. I think a starting point maybe to combine routes, why have we got 57a, c, and f for example? or 138, 139, 140, 141, and 142, they all serve a similar area, and it is so complex. A slightly longer journey is better than no service at all. I did get the impression that evenings and Sundays are looking a lot better than they would have done, had no new funding been found. Between January and March, we will probably have this mess again!
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Post by The Captain on Sept 13, 2022 10:21:24 GMT
I have just had a pleasant convocation with a senior gentleman at SYPTE. It appears that the problem is that there are different funding pots. Not just SYPTE'S funding, but also funding that has gone direct to the bus operators. Operators have been deciding what to run with their portion of the new £130 million total government funding that was announced recently. However, because it took the government a while to decide what they were going to do, funding decisions had to be changed at the last minute. There has to be a better way to do things than this, too many fingers in one pie. As I pointed out, passengers seem to be the last to know in this mess. Driver shortages are also an issue which means work is being turned down, even if founds are available companies may not want it. I think a starting point maybe to combine routes, why have we got 57a, c, and f for example? or 138, 139, 140, 141, and 142, they all serve a similar area, and it is so complex. A slightly longer journey is better than no service at all. I did get the impression that evenings and Sundays are looking a lot better than they would have done, had no new funding been found. Between January and March, we will probably have this mess again! Look at it from another point, if you are running consistently minus 60 plus drivers and getting nowhere recruiting then do you get summoned to Harehills (VDSA) for failure to operate services, or do you cut back on mileage accordingly to balance it out?. |
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Post by The Captain on Sept 13, 2022 10:23:43 GMT
It ain't looking good for evenings and Sundays at all. Might be a turning point in who the bigger provider is in Sheffield SSY or FSY?. A lot will come down to the ability to procure drivers. There are many alternatives to bus driving now, many of which have better pay and conditions. Very true. It's been commented internally amongst long servers just how young the latest recruits are because the older and wiser don't want to know. |
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