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Post by crossscythe on Feb 4, 2024 21:38:06 GMT
Loxley needed the 31 more than Parson Cross does. Fox Hill has the 32 and the 86 as well. Parson Cross has routes 86, 7, 8, 20, 97 and 98 serving it. The only thing Parson Cross needs is a direct link to Meadowhall. 52a to Wisewood is a bad idea. It got canned for a reason. It feels like they've just brought back all the bad bits they took away and ignored the good bits that people want back. Loxley and Wisewood have needed more than just the hourly 31 since the changes in 2022, and that’s been evident all along. Ofcourse. It used to have the flagship 13/14 Turquoise line service which ran at regular frequencies. Extending the 61/62 to run to the city centre and through the Wisewood estate would have been my chosen option, combined with retaining the 31 and having the 31 run on Sundays*. *Which wouldn't be too bad considering the 57a pricks the borders of the Wisewood estate on Sundays too. |
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Post by craig79 on Feb 5, 2024 8:48:36 GMT
The X1/X2/X3 has a distinct whiff of somebody having a dream, waking up in the middle of the night to write it down on a piece of paper, then reading it first thing in the morning and concluding it was a good idea that should be implemented. If it was such a good idea, then why has it taken nearly 8 years from when the X1 started to it being done? The X78 is a well known route number that has been around for ~30 years (and before that it was the 278). People tend to embrace change when they can see some logic / improvement, I'm not sure this is it, but then again there's no competition on the X78 Rotherham-Doncaster section so it'll work by default. The X5 extension from Dinnington to Maltby seems an ok idea and restores the lost 18 link. First's comment of: now Thurcroft has a DIRECT service to Sheffield that everybody knows will take > 1 hour going via the world (aka Kiveton Park) vs getting in your car, driving through Whiston and the Parkway in 25 minutes says a lot about naivety. Missing from all of this is the 208, which if renumbering is back in vogue, has an "X4" sized opportunity to fit in. Runs alongside the X3 down Attercliffe. Could finally serve Meadowhall Interchange vs the perplexingly weird logic of only running via the perimeter road. And could run up to Rotherham Hospital (after Brinsworth) and then continue from Whiston Worrygoose through Wickersley, Flanderwell, Bramley and Maltby, restoring a direct service to the Hospital for everybody. Seems a very odd miss, considering the logic of the X2 & X5 are to restore lost links. I don't really think people will care if it's got a 78 in it, after all the other routes are X1, X2 etc so it's just tidying up. 78 used to be a route over Doncaster North Bridge to Woodlands years ago, I personally always thought x78 was a strange name for the route that is supposedly First SY's major route connector I am surprised it wasn't X1 years ago, then again I don't like the use of "x" when it's not an express service. Good point, you could argue the 78 just stuck around and could have been replaced years ago. I'm with you on the "X". The way this is used across South Yorkshire is really chaotic, all it really requires is someone to define that an "X" service is non-stop in places or truly limited stop, like the X17. Aside from missing one or two stops on Attercliffe, the X1's x-ness seems to be about running on a largely empty road between Meadowhall and Templeborough. Question for anyone: with the flipping of the X1/X78, does anyone know if all will now run through Sheffield city centre to the bottom of the Moor vs what we have now with the X78 going to the Interchange? This would be a positive step if so. |
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Post by rothlad on Feb 5, 2024 10:46:36 GMT
Late notice change to Arriva Yorkshire service 51 in Doncaster. This will now become the new 44, 45 and 45A.
44 will serve Skellow and Campsall. 45 will serve Sutton. Both service will then terminate at Askern Co-Op with most journeys changing over to allow interchange. 45A will be the evening/Sunday variant that SYMCA currently provide.
On top of this, some workings that currently run dead from Selby Depot to Norton, will now operate in service from Selby. Long way from the former 405, 408/409 network but still a positive step.
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Post by rothlad on Feb 5, 2024 10:50:52 GMT
Loxley needed the 31 more than Parson Cross does. Fox Hill has the 32 and the 86 as well. Parson Cross has routes 86, 7, 8, 20, 97 and 98 serving it. The only thing Parson Cross needs is a direct link to Meadowhall. 52a to Wisewood is a bad idea. It got canned for a reason. It feels like they've just brought back all the bad bits they took away and ignored the good bits that people want back. Understand the 31 has to come out of Loxley due to the 52A going in over the exact same route commercially. Due to previous consultations and feedback I understand that Fox Hill was chosen as it was cost neutral in terms of the contract already in place, plus allowed the change to service 32 to be straightened out to improve reliability and improve journey times. The 31 will be serving Parson Cross for the local schools/medical centres and shopping areas due to service 32 running direct along Halifax Road.  |
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Post by rothlad on Feb 5, 2024 10:53:50 GMT
I don't really think people will care if it's got a 78 in it, after all the other routes are X1, X2 etc so it's just tidying up. 78 used to be a route over Doncaster North Bridge to Woodlands years ago, I personally always thought x78 was a strange name for the route that is supposedly First SY's major route connector I am surprised it wasn't X1 years ago, then again I don't like the use of "x" when it's not an express service. Good point, you could argue the 78 just stuck around and could have been replaced years ago. I'm with you on the "X". The way this is used across South Yorkshire is really chaotic, all it really requires is someone to define that an "X" service is non-stop in places or truly limited stop, like the X17. Aside from missing one or two stops on Attercliffe, the X1's x-ness seems to be about running on a largely empty road between Meadowhall and Templeborough. Question for anyone: with the flipping of the X1/X78, does anyone know if all will now run through Sheffield city centre to the bottom of the Moor vs what we have now with the X78 going to the Interchange? This would be a positive step if so. Routes in Sheffield City Centre will be as now. X1/X2 will be Moorfoot and X3 will be the interchange. The routes will flip between Saville Street and Rotherham Interchange. This is to provide the well required capacity increase along Brightside Lane and Meadowbank Road, without the need for additional vehicle investment into this part of the network. X78 isn't what it used to be. Capacity will also be increased along Balby Road due to service 315 being increased to every 12' minutes Mon-Sat daytimes and 30' minutes evenings and Sundays. At the same time Stagecoach are increasing their frequency on service 221 also. |
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Post by dougie on Feb 5, 2024 23:30:07 GMT
I could understand the changes on the Sheffield - Rotherham corridor IF the X1/2/3 ran to a coordinated (ten minute?) timetable between the two centres and has a common route in central Sheffield But it doesn’t look like that’s going to happen, so I really can’t see the point of giving them similar numbers (or of diverting the current X78 via Attercliffe) Loxley needed the 31 more than Parson Cross does. Fox Hill has the 32 and the 86 as well. Parson Cross has routes 86, 7, 8, 20, 97 and 98 serving it None of these routes linked Parson Cross to central Hillsborough though The 7/8/86 stop some distance away on the A61 whilst the 97/98 don’t go north of Southey Contrast that to the days of the 17, 18, 89, 779 which linked Parson Cross to central Hillsborough Additionally, the diverted 31 means the 32 can plug some of the gaps on Halifax Road left when the First 135 was withdrawn Meanwhile Wisewood/Loxley gain a half hourly 52A to replace the hourly 31 (it’s not like the 31 was fast into town or particularly reliable given the route through lower Walkley) |
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Post by crossscythe on Feb 6, 2024 12:19:20 GMT
I could understand the changes on the Sheffield - Rotherham corridor IF the X1/2/3 ran to a coordinated (ten minute?) timetable between the two centres and has a common route in central Sheffield But it doesn’t look like that’s going to happen, so I really can’t see the point of giving them similar numbers (or of diverting the current X78 via Attercliffe) Loxley needed the 31 more than Parson Cross does. Fox Hill has the 32 and the 86 as well. Parson Cross has routes 86, 7, 8, 20, 97 and 98 serving it None of these routes linked Parson Cross to central Hillsborough though The 7/8/86 stop some distance away on the A61 whilst the 97/98 don’t go north of Southey Contrast that to the days of the 17, 18, 89, 779 which linked Parson Cross to central Hillsborough Additionally, the diverted 31 means the 32 can plug some of the gaps on Halifax Road left when the First 135 was withdrawn Meanwhile Wisewood/Loxley gain a half hourly 52A to replace the hourly 31 (it’s not like the 31 was fast into town or particularly reliable given the route through lower Walkley) There is a huge hole left where the 17 used to be. The 17 and 66 attracted quite a crowd, I still can't believe they got axed. |
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Post by simonk82701 on Feb 6, 2024 13:15:36 GMT
Interestingly, unless I have missed it, there appears to be no extra services for the Rotherham hospital corridor. Why the 207 cannot completely replace the 208, I don't know. However, more compacity has been needed for a long time now.
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Post by crossscythe on Feb 6, 2024 22:07:24 GMT
The service along Moorgate of an evening is atrocious. The 25/26 to Dinnington is un-reliable. The 34 First service that ran right in to the hospital grounds was far better and then it ran to Whiston but properly through Whiston not just the main road.
There did ought to be a bus going from the hospital down that estate opposite and to the roundabout at Stag Island. I recall the 14 used to do this and then head back to Rotherham and Meadowhall via the Meadowbank estate. Routes like this kept the town connected and encouraged bus use over car use. Even if they ran below the 12% profit margin they added to the network as a whole.
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Post by daws234 on Feb 6, 2024 23:08:15 GMT
Late notice change to Arriva Yorkshire service 51 in Doncaster. This will now become the new 44, 45 and 45A. 44 will serve Skellow and Campsall. 45 will serve Sutton. Both service will then terminate at Askern Co-Op with most journeys changing over to allow interchange. 45A will be the evening/Sunday variant that SYMCA currently provide. On top of this, some workings that currently run dead from Selby Depot to Norton, will now operate in service from Selby. Long way from the former 405, 408/409 network but still a positive step. ive always wonded why there a ariva bus in doncaster it doesnt reach west yorkshire it be good if it reaches a bus that goes like selby or any other places like use the same route but i thing its like a road away to another stop where you have to go over the motoway to get other busses going away from doncaster but they only have a choice to go there |
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Post by duncan on Feb 6, 2024 23:19:47 GMT
There did ought to be a bus going from the hospital down that estate opposite and to the roundabout at Stag Island. I recall the 14 used to do this and then head back to Rotherham and Meadowhall via the Meadowbank estate. Routes like this kept the town connected and encouraged bus use over car use. Even if they ran below the 12% profit margin they added to the network as a whole. It is illegal to run a service at a loss - end of. |
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Post by crossscythe on Feb 7, 2024 0:24:06 GMT
There did ought to be a bus going from the hospital down that estate opposite and to the roundabout at Stag Island. I recall the 14 used to do this and then head back to Rotherham and Meadowhall via the Meadowbank estate. Routes like this kept the town connected and encouraged bus use over car use. Even if they ran below the 12% profit margin they added to the network as a whole. It is illegal to run a service at a loss - end of. I never said about running at a loss. Are you on a wind up? Where was that ever said? |
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Post by gricehead on Feb 19, 2024 14:13:41 GMT
The X5 extension from Dinnington to Maltby seems an ok idea and restores the lost 18 link. First's comment of: now Thurcroft has a DIRECT service to Sheffield that everybody knows will take > 1 hour going via the world (aka Kiveton Park) vs getting in your car, driving through Whiston and the Parkway in 25 minutes says a lot about naivety. The x5 extension is a mixed blessing. Anecdotally, there's a fair demand for Thurcroft - Kiveton Park for Wales High School pupils socialising, and not needing to change in the inhospitable evening atmosphere of Dinnington bus Station is good (assuming the extension exists in evening hours). On the other hand, it's going to knacker service reliability. |
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Post by rothlad on Mar 8, 2024 11:51:14 GMT
Interestingly, unless I have missed it, there appears to be no extra services for the Rotherham hospital corridor. Why the 207 cannot completely replace the 208, I don't know. However, more compacity has been needed for a long time now. Commercial network and would require an additional investment from First. Your current annualised cost is approx. £275k. Can it make up the cost of this within 52 weeks. I seriously doubt it. Things look more positive on the 19/19A front now driver establishment at Worksop is more stable. Doubt it will return to the 15 minute service, but an additional vehicle per hour is looking likely to create a 20 minute combined service between Rotherham and Thurcroft. Again this would be a commercial venture for Stagecoach East Midlands and require additional cost. Doubt SYMCA would pump prime the funding, as they're already strapped for cash... |
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