[SiY] Various (Read 1,221 times)

[donnytom]

The X19 (at least in Doncaster) can get busy during the school peak at least. Maybe they don't need them now, (dunno myself) but even so, maybe they will in the future and the thinking could be that it's better to have redundant DDs now rather than no DDs when they're needed?

[ytcbarnsley2006]

manclad said:

Any ALX 400's that come to Yorkshire are likely to be Barnsley based, unless they go to Sheffield.

Oh really, that right is it ?

Suggest you give your crystal ball a bit of a dusting down.

So Doncaster don't need low floors then ?

Given that they run all the 222/223 (Doncaster - Mexborough - Barnsley) boards, which I think could be a prime target for some low floor DD's sometime in the future ?

Or Rawmarsh and Doncaster for the 288/290 (Doncaster - Mexborough - Rotherham) which could also do with deckers on some duties.

Or the 228/229 (Meadowhall- Rotherham - Wath - Barnsley).

There are few routes in Barnsley that actually NEED deckers, thouse routes where deckers are usually to be found (235, 92/93 etc) only get them as a norm due to schools work. In Barnsley most 'town' services are operated by single decks on higher frequencies.

[ytcbarnsley2006]

admin said:

yes but the question is now looking at barnsleys bus routes does any route need to be deckers in barnsley?

even the 226 and 325 don't seem as fulla s they were back in tracky days can only see the 227 being double and that isn't exactly full to capacity, the 226 as being proved in rush hour it doesnt need deckers as there have being a few renowns and other single buses on there, for yorkshire the only real place i can see decker operating for now is in sheffield but still there is no full bus routes which have a demand for deckers except probabily the 120 unless they do a rotherham to sheffield route then maybe that could be a double decker service aswell.

but for barnsley (and this is just my opinion) i don't think it needs deckers because the differnce betwenn sheffield and barnsley in sheffield stagecoach and first have services frequent and only a few buses going on same road as each other where as in barnsley yyou could have up to 5 buses going to same area on nearly the same route and with a frequency of say every 30 minutes each it puts people off bus routes like that (well it does me) and also i saw an omnidecker a few week back in middle of rush hour at 16:40pm and not a single person was on that bus only decker route possibly in barnsley i can see is the 228/9 and thats only because it gets full between brampton and rotherham and then about 5 people stay on to go to meadowhall if that.

Sam:

325 is carrying more than it did in Tracky days, hence timetable enhancement to every 10 mins (from the previous every 12)

227 could be operated with a taxi at times, deckers not needed on here at all.

The 226 does need deckers on most runs (apart from the very early/very late ones). It should always be low floor DD operated, but as I've mentioned before, 7 Omnidekkas for 7 Omnidekka duties (4x 226, 3x X19) is rather tighter than it should be (when they were purchased there were only 2 X19 boards, the more recent Doncaster - Robin Hood Airport is why a 3rd bus was needed).

228/229 do ok with cross-Rotherham traffic, particularly from the Rawmarsh/Parkgate areas to Meadowhall.

[manontheinside]

325 better than Tracky days? Define Tracky days! I remember it being about every 22 seconds at one point i believe between YTC and B&D and various competitors!

[admin]

back in july 2005 i was shocked i got off the x33 and visited barnsley for the first time in 5 years and there was 4 buses waiting to go into service in the small southern end of the bus station but the buses did get full it was a route pretty much like the 41 in sheffield if you miss one they'll be another one in 30 seconds.

but that was when the 324 and 325 was running now its just 325 it does not seem to be as full and a lot of people now between barnsley and worsbrough bridge area, sometimes even birdwell catch the 265 or the 227 yetserday there was about 10 people on 265 even though there was a 325 bus infront of it.

[ytcbarnsley2006]

manontheinside said:

325 better than Tracky days? Define Tracky days! I remember it being about every 22 seconds at one point i believe between YTC and B&D and various competitors!

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Yeh, ok, what I meant was the 325 is better now than it was in the last year or so of 'Tracky' operation.

The every 5 min 325 service that existed at one stage (when Frank was in his 'we will run Headlight out of town' stage) was complete over-kill, all those lovely Nationals and pair of Ikaruses(Headlight) and B6's (B&D) running around with 3 people each on them was silly.

But fun, if like me you have a slight soft spot for the Nationals !

[manclad]

True, few Barnsley routes require deckers, however if there are spare ones within the group, there is always the possibility. Also, Stagecoach's strategy has always been to promote and nurture increased usage of it service through slick promotion and promotional fares so who knows what the future might hold.
I always got the impression that "tracky" did little to attract new custom, something that Stagecoach is very active in doing.