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Post by The Captain on Apr 7, 2013 14:19:14 GMT
B7Ls have been crap since the day they left the factory. 99%. 60722 is just an animal as is 60893. 60710 is the slowest-just does not like any hills. |
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Post by busman53 on Apr 7, 2013 15:19:28 GMT
Forgot to put this up yesterday (Friday 05/04/2013): Stagecoach Sheffield 22909 - 52 First time on routes 35 and 37 in Sheffield yesterday (Friday). Was on them between the city and Meadowhall. It was an experience I will never forget. I know Sheffield is noted for its hills, but I just can't believe how steep some of the hills the buses go up are! It is madness to be putting B7Ls on these routes - what they desperately need are B10BLEs for a bit of muscle when hill climbing. I got 60890 on the 37, and 61633 on the 37. They were both absolute heaps. In particular, 61733 is the worst B7L I've travelled on in a long time - it nearly gave up the ghost on Jenkin Road tonight, and then after it (eventually) got through Grimethorpe (on route 37) the warning buzzers started going off on it. To be fair, those routes are incredibly demanding on any bus, with all the speed ramps, the incredibly tight turns in places (some skill on the driver's part to drive through parts of these routes for sure), bumps etc. If these buses are generally on these routes, even with the best of maintenance, they're going to be in bits after a while. However, the B10BLEs are just so much quicker (and better made), it strikes me as the obvious thing to do with these routes is to give them B10BLEs. B7RLEs would probably be good too. I really believe that half the reason the B7Ls are disliked so much on this forum is because so many of them are in a very bad way condition wise. If they were overhauled, they would be much better. I was on 60718 on Thursday night, it even idled properly and was flying along - in fact, apart from it rattling, it was a very good bus. If every B7L was like 60718, I don't think there would be a lot of reasons to complain about them. Cork has a lot of B7Ls, but most of them are a lot better than the ones here, although a few of them are total sheds too. The 35/36/37 cycle was operated by B10BLEs (with a few of B7Ls too) up until the October 2012 changes when these routes started interworking with the 17. For SQP reasons I believe the 17 cannot be operated by B10BLEs - Could anyone confirm that? I do ageree B7RLEs may be a better choice for the 17/35/36/37 as they are newer and generally nicer vehicles and it may well happen in the near future if the Streetlites go on to the 76 as planned. |
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Post by busman53 on Apr 7, 2013 15:20:05 GMT
07/04/2013 - First South Yorkshire:
B7TL President 32220 on the 53.
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Post by The Captain on Apr 7, 2013 15:34:49 GMT
The 17 is part of the NSQP.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2013 18:16:57 GMT
Today.
Sheffield.
FIRST:
B7TL President 32217 on 82.
B7L Eclipse 60713 on 95.
B9TL Gemini 37484 on 47/48 - 75 branded.
B7L Eclipse 60890 on 20/20A.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2013 18:21:12 GMT
Forgot to put this up yesterday (Friday 05/04/2013): Stagecoach Sheffield 22909 - 52 First time on routes 35 and 37 in Sheffield yesterday (Friday). Was on them between the city and Meadowhall. It was an experience I will never forget. I know Sheffield is noted for its hills, but I just can't believe how steep some of the hills the buses go up are! It is madness to be putting B7Ls on these routes - what they desperately need are B10BLEs for a bit of muscle when hill climbing. I got 60890 on the 37, and 61633 on the 37. They were both absolute heaps. In particular, 61733 is the worst B7L I've travelled on in a long time - it nearly gave up the ghost on Jenkin Road tonight, and then after it (eventually) got through Grimethorpe (on route 37) the warning buzzers started going off on it. To be fair, those routes are incredibly demanding on any bus, with all the speed ramps, the incredibly tight turns in places (some skill on the driver's part to drive through parts of these routes for sure), bumps etc. If these buses are generally on these routes, even with the best of maintenance, they're going to be in bits after a while. However, the B10BLEs are just so much quicker (and better made), it strikes me as the obvious thing to do with these routes is to give them B10BLEs. B7RLEs would probably be good too. I really believe that half the reason the B7Ls are disliked so much on this forum is because so many of them are in a very bad way condition wise. If they were overhauled, they would be much better. I was on 60718 on Thursday night, it even idled properly and was flying along - in fact, apart from it rattling, it was a very good bus. If every B7L was like 60718, I don't think there would be a lot of reasons to complain about them. Cork has a lot of B7Ls, but most of them are a lot better than the ones here, although a few of them are total sheds too. 61633 is an ex Glasgow B7L Eclipse, these to me are the worst by far of the B7L's. The B10BLE's would be great on the 35/36/37 as they get up hills rather easily (catch a B10BLE then a B7L up Merton Lane in Wincobank, the difference is rather large) but this is unable to happen due to the interworking with 17. |
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Post by Arriva Wakefield on Apr 7, 2013 19:58:43 GMT
The 17 is part of the NSQP. Can't understand why though, as the 17 doesn't actually stop on Barnsley Road (which I though was the point of the NSQP) |
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Post by thrybergh on Apr 7, 2013 20:07:38 GMT
The 17 is part of the NSQP. Can't understand why though, as the 17 doesn't actually stop on Barnsley Road (which I though was the point of the NSQP) Because it serves more than 4 stops on the NSQP which covers more than just Barnsley Road... See map below:  |
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Post by Arriva Wakefield on Apr 7, 2013 20:19:06 GMT
Can't understand why though, as the 17 doesn't actually stop on Barnsley Road (which I though was the point of the NSQP) Because it serves more than 4 stops on the NSQP which covers more than just Barnsley Road... See map below: View AttachmentThanks for that, wasn't aware that the various roads into Firth Park came under the SQP. |
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Post by thrybergh on Apr 7, 2013 20:21:13 GMT
Because it serves more than 4 stops on the NSQP which covers more than just Barnsley Road... See map below: View AttachmentThanks for that, wasn't aware that the various roads into Firth Park came under the SQP. No problem, for info I'll post a full list and the map in the Resources section shortly for you. Details all services included, PVR, route of SQP covered and exemptions etc. |
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Post by swfcforever on Apr 7, 2013 22:21:14 GMT
First ALX400 31129-53, B7L 60731-95 and B7L 60892-11.
Stagecoach Chesterfield Solo 47321 Route Branded 39-50/71
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Post by Arriva Wakefield on Apr 8, 2013 7:15:37 GMT
X78 branded 37509 on 1s
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Post by Arriva Wakefield on Apr 8, 2013 7:16:45 GMT
Dearne Link 22556 on MagicBus
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Post by tofskilemons on Apr 8, 2013 13:13:37 GMT
First
32312 and 37485 on the 52 so far...
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Post by busman53 on Apr 8, 2013 17:15:53 GMT
The 53 is mainly operated by ALX400s on a Sunday. |
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