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Post by pec140 on May 5, 2018 15:21:26 GMT
May 2018 Service Changes have started to appear on Travel South Yorkshire's Service Changes Page. They appear to be service reductions on high frequency services in Sheffield.
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Post by pec140 on May 5, 2018 15:24:11 GMT
Essentially routes 1/1a/56, 7, 24/25, 52/52a, 75/76, 88, 95 and 120 appear to have 1 journey per hour withdrawn (e.g. a 10 minute service becomes a 12 minute service) by both operators on these joint service. the exception is service 83/83a which has this reduction only by one operator (First) on weekdays.
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Post by mojoe44 on May 17, 2018 8:05:14 GMT
Only one of these changes is actually in Yorkshire at any point but I assume some people on here may be interested, and all are operated by Stagecoach Yorkshire. From May the Sunday journeys on the 15a (Dronfield to crystal peaks) and 16a (Dronfield to Chesterfield) are withdrawn sure to lack of council funding. Similarly the evening journeys on the chesterfield town route 39 are also withdrawn, again due to removal of funding. Stagecoach Chesterfield will also be operating the M1 and M4 Matlock town tender using a branded 'Matlockbus' optare Solo. Images can be seen here. www.stevenknightmedia.com/the-steven-knight-media-blog/matlock-bus-branding-for-stagecoach-yorkshire-optare-soloStagecoach Holbrook have also gained a Derbyshire tender, for services 73/74 (Crystal Peaks - Clowne), 75 (Clowne town service) and school service 130 (High Lane - Eckington School). This uses one bus and will run Mondays to Saturdays. |
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Post by mojoe44 on May 17, 2018 8:08:26 GMT
Essentially routes 1/1a/56, 7, 24/25, 52/52a, 75/76, 88, 95 and 120 appear to have 1 journey per hour withdrawn (e.g. a 10 minute service becomes a 12 minute service) by both operators on these joint service. the exception is service 83/83a which has this reduction only by one operator (First) on weekdays. So does that mean the the first 83 will run half hourly, and Stagecoach 83a will be every 20 minutes, so combined there will be either a 10 minute wait, a 20 minute wait or two buses running together? Surely that isn't what buses for Sheffield was meant to do... |
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Post by pec140 on May 17, 2018 16:03:03 GMT
It does indeed mean that two buses will run together. The same situation will exist on the 7/8 (this time with Stagecoach reducing its provision to half hourly) giving an unevenly spaced timetable. It looks as though these changes are a reduction in service provision disguised as "minor timetable changes", but also suggest that there wasn't agreement between them on these two routes. As you say, hardly what a coordinated partnership should have yielded, and possibly revealing some strains on the partnership working. On the other hand some of these headways are, to be honest, overbussed (and it is better to have small reductions here than more damaging reductions on less frequent routes). For example, on the 7/8, there will still be 5 buses per hour - pre 1986 the 49 only ran every 20 minutes along Wordsworth Avenue. On the 83/83a, again, still 5 buses per hour (the 79/89 prior to deregulation only had a 20 minute provision off peak). I guess these changes would incur about a 20 vehicle PVR reduction for First, perhaps helping to retire pre 2003 registered assets?
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Post by dougie on May 17, 2018 20:52:15 GMT
It does indeed mean that two buses will run together. The same situation will exist on the 7/8 (this time with Stagecoach reducing its provision to half hourly) giving an unevenly spaced timetable. It looks as though these changes are a reduction in service provision disguised as "minor timetable changes", but also suggest that there wasn't agreement between them on these two routes. As you say, hardly what a coordinated partnership should have yielded, and possibly revealing some strains on the partnership working. On the other hand some of these headways are, to be honest, overbussed (and it is better to have small reductions here than more damaging reductions on less frequent routes). For example, on the 7/8, there will still be 5 buses per hour - pre 1986 the 49 only ran every 20 minutes along Wordsworth Avenue. On the 83/83a, again, still 5 buses per hour (the 79/89 prior to deregulation only had a 20 minute provision off peak). I guess these changes would incur about a 20 vehicle PVR reduction for First, perhaps helping to retire pre 2003 registered assets? For me, I think there's an argument for one bus company running the 83/83a and the other one running the 7/8/8a. Whilst two operators can share the 1/1a, the 24/25, the 52/52a and the 120, I don't think that the two routes to Ecclesfield are "meaty" enough to warrant two operators - I think it'd be better to let one concentrate on the Wordsworth service and the other concentrate on the Colley service. That way they could decide whether a ten/ twelve/ fifteen/ twenty minute frequency was appropriate frequency at various times, rather than the current set-up where one operator reduces the frequency and the other doesn't, leaving twenty minute gaps that require five buses per hour. (I don't mind which operator runs which service, I just think that it'd solve things if they swapped two "half" services for one full service each) |
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Post by rothlad on May 18, 2018 13:17:35 GMT
With what's been picked up in another thread, just for clarity the X17 will only extend beyond Sheffield to Barnsley once per hour. Connecting journeys will be provided with a retimed X10 service to Leeds for any through passengers. It's like the reincarnation of the former X32 Sheffield to Leeds service!
The route will operate hourly, 7 days a week and make use of the 8 new ADL E400 MMC vehicles which are on order and due for delivery in August/September.
The route will be limited stop and run out via Brightside, Arena Square/Ikea, Meadowhall and then follow the X65 route into Barnsley via Birdwell.
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Post by simonk82701 on May 18, 2018 20:25:40 GMT
Good Evening
I could be thinking too far ahead here, but in the past the reduction in frequency of key services to 12 minutes instead of ten is because it's the end on the university term. The timetables may return to "Normal" from September 2018 Hence some duplications and odd timings.
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Post by duncan on May 19, 2018 6:30:49 GMT
Good Evening I could be thinking too far ahead here, but in the past the reduction in frequency of key services to 12 minutes instead of ten is because it's the end on the university term. The timetables may return to "Normal" from September 2018 Hence some duplications and odd timings. I think that most of us realise this but its fun watching all the speculation though. |
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Post by swfcforever on May 19, 2018 10:27:26 GMT
With what's been picked up in another thread, just for clarity the X17 will only extend beyond Sheffield to Barnsley once per hour. Connecting journeys will be provided with a retimed X10 service to Leeds for any through passengers. It's like the reincarnation of the former X32 Sheffield to Leeds service! The route will operate hourly, 7 days a week and make use of the 8 new ADL E400 MMC vehicles which are on order and due for delivery in August/September. The route will be limited stop and run out via Brightside, Arena Square/Ikea, Meadowhall and then follow the X65 route into Barnsley via Birdwell. Brightside, Arena/IKEA. Will it go from Brightside Lane, turn right at Hawke Street and along Attercliffe Common to Vulcan Road. So as an X78 to Brightside Lane, royal mail and then on its own route? |
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Post by Arriva Wakefield on May 19, 2018 13:24:09 GMT
With what's been picked up in another thread, just for clarity the X17 will only extend beyond Sheffield to Barnsley once per hour. Connecting journeys will be provided with a retimed X10 service to Leeds for any through passengers. It's like the reincarnation of the former X32 Sheffield to Leeds service! The route will operate hourly, 7 days a week and make use of the 8 new ADL E400 MMC vehicles which are on order and due for delivery in August/September. The route will be limited stop and run out via Brightside, Arena Square/Ikea, Meadowhall and then follow the X65 route into Barnsley via Birdwell. Which half of the service will be xtended through? The Chesterfield or Matlock journeys? |
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Post by jakerton43 on May 19, 2018 16:12:25 GMT
With what's been picked up in another thread, just for clarity the X17 will only extend beyond Sheffield to Barnsley once per hour. Connecting journeys will be provided with a retimed X10 service to Leeds for any through passengers. It's like the reincarnation of the former X32 Sheffield to Leeds service! The route will operate hourly, 7 days a week and make use of the 8 new ADL E400 MMC vehicles which are on order and due for delivery in August/September. The route will be limited stop and run out via Brightside, Arena Square/Ikea, Meadowhall and then follow the X65 route into Barnsley via Birdwell. Which half of the service will be xtended through? The Chesterfield or Matlock journeys? Matlock to Sheffield & Chesterfield to Barnsley. |
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Post by rothlad on Jun 5, 2018 10:14:38 GMT
Which half of the service will be xtended through? The Chesterfield or Matlock journeys? Matlock to Sheffield & Chesterfield to Barnsley. Through services will operate on Sundays when there is a hourly daytime service as at present. |
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Post by rothlad on Jun 7, 2018 10:11:34 GMT
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