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Post by simonk82701 on Dec 16, 2022 18:37:36 GMT
Just being noisy, does anyone know how much a buss company earns per passenger? I have often wondered.
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Post by duncan on Dec 17, 2022 9:34:11 GMT
Just being noisy, does anyone know how much a buss company earns per passenger? I have often wondered. It varies by local authority, a couple of years ago one area was quoted as paying 79p. |
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Post by dougie on Dec 17, 2022 12:24:31 GMT
I don't know figures, but I have heard that North Yorkshire is quite "tight" when it comes to the reimbursement rate
In fairness to them, they probably get a lot of older tourists at Whitby/ Scarborough etc, so can't afford to be generous, but it means that a fairly busy Yorkshire Coastliner bus over the Moors can still be losing money (hence them talking about pulling out of Whitby because it's no longer economical)
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Post by simonk82701 on Dec 17, 2022 17:31:36 GMT
Just being noisy, does anyone know how much a buss company earns per passenger? I have often wondered. It varies by local authority, a couple of years ago one area was quoted as paying 79p. Good grief, That's not a lot, even if it's gone up a bit since then. |
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Post by crossscythe on Jan 2, 2023 19:13:19 GMT
Just being noisy, does anyone know how much a buss company earns per passenger? I have often wondered. It's based on mileage. The last figure I heard was 50 pence per mile, but this may have increased with all of the cost of lockdown raising fuel prices and the so-called Ukraine 'war' raising fuel prices. The ENCTS holder will scan their travel card. If they have a +C card and have a carer with them, the driver will register this on the system and the set fee per mile (last known to be 50pence) will apply, if it is less than a mile, the 50 pence set fee still applies. If the the passenger travels 3 miles, First or TM Travel or who ever can claim £1.50 or £3 if travelling with a carer. The bus driver enters in to the ticket machine when the journey ends as said passsenger(s) alight the vehicle. This is fed back to the Transport Executive and local authority, who pay the fee to First/TM Travel etc. All 'local' bus operators are required by law to participate in the ENCTS scheme. The only exemptions for this are for special night buses that operate under special conditions. The ENCTS scheme does not apply to services outside of the holder's local transport area between start of play and 09:30 on weekdays, and after 23:00 on weekdays, the ENCTS card is not valid at these times. The ENCTS card is however, valid at all times within the local area. The ENCTS card can be used to travel between transport authority areas within the specified times and can be used to travel around the country, offering a great freedom. Some operators, such as rural operators see the scheme as an un-avoidable nuissance, as many passengers that utilise this scheme form the core of their passenger load. However, city operators, such as First welcome the scheme and have in the past encouraged the use of ENCTS cards, introducing marketing material known as "get your pass out", showing the range of places that disabled and elderly people can visit and explore using the ENCTS. Full fare apllies for out of date travel cards and any suspected fraudulent use of the cards can result in the driver or Revenue Protection Officer consfiscating the card for evidence for prosecution. Penalty Fares also apply for those without a valid ticket/travel document e.g. an expired ENCTS card. The ENCTS cards can be used all day on local bus services at weekends*, anywhere in the country. Travel South Yorkshire Mobility variants also allow travel on Northern rail services within South Yorkshire at any time and travel in to West Yorkshire, providing the journey begings or ends in South Yorkshire, e.g. travel is permitted from Sheffield to Huddersfield or Darton to Normanton but not Normanton to Castleford (West Yorkshire-West Yorkshire). Excess fares can be purchased from the booking office at Leeds and Huddersfield stations for journeys beyond there, but these must be purchased before the passenger(s) travel or attempt to travel beyond the validity of ENCTS. Northern has an agreement with South Yorkshire Transport Executive, where they are paid an Off Peak adult fare rate or an Anytime adult fare rate for each of these journey made, based on calculations of ENCTS passenger usage, from surveys completed by South Yorkshire Passenger Transport Executive. |
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Post by peggy on Jan 3, 2023 6:18:17 GMT
I'm pretty sure unless things have changed that it's not paid per mileage. The driver does not tell the ticket machine when a Pass holder has got off the vehicle so on a journey like the X78 if Someone got on at Doncaster then travelled all the way to Sheffield that would be a lot to reimburse.
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Post by duncan on Jan 3, 2023 17:20:45 GMT
Just being noisy, does anyone know how much a buss company earns per passenger? I have often wondered. It's based on mileage. The last figure I heard was 50 pence per mile, but this may have increased with all of the cost of lockdown raising fuel prices and the so-called Ukraine 'war' raising fuel prices. The ENCTS holder will scan their travel card. If they have a +C card and have a carer with them, the driver will register this on the system and the set fee per mile (last known to be 50pence) will apply, if it is less than a mile, the 50 pence set fee still applies. If the the passenger travels 3 miles, First or TM Travel or who ever can claim £1.50 or £3 if travelling with a carer. The bus driver enters in to the ticket machine when the journey ends as said passsenger(s) alight the vehicle. This is fed back to the Transport Executive and local authority, who pay the fee to First/TM Travel etc. Is it April 1st already? To clarify, ENCTS passes are reimbursed at a set figure for a journey no matter how long or short that may be. +C cards are paid at 2 times that rate. The recent rate in West Yorkshire was approx. £1.30, South Yorkshire has always been considerably less but I understand it has now passed the £1 barrier. Drivers do NOT have to enter a destination for pass holders as there is no need. Before ENCTS some areas paid by Mileage and under those rules a destination WAS required. No recording has EVER taken place as passengers alight from a bus and unless drivers develop identic memories are unlikely ever to be required as it would be impossible to manage. Time restrictions apply according to the area where the passenger boards the bus irrespective of what area their pass is from. This used to cause chaos on the last Castleton service where passengers from South Yorkshire who could use their passes till the end of service in South Yorkshire encountered the Derbyshire curfew of 23.30 and had to pay. Some tried to pay to the boundary but the rules were that the full fare had to be paid (in cash or by pass) when boarding so had to be charged for the full journey. What fun we had. |
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