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Post by crossscythe on Apr 10, 2024 15:55:11 GMT
Manor Top Interchange
Has Manor Top Interchange always been so underused? Only service 10 uses it these days but there is space for many more buses. I would get the number 7 to Darnall once used it and perhaps the Terrier number 10. Was it built when the Elm Tree team stop was?
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Post by littlenipper on Apr 10, 2024 16:32:26 GMT
Manor Top Interchange Has Manor Top Interchange always been so underused? Only service 10 uses it these days but there is space for many more buses. I would get the number 7 to Darnall once used it and perhaps the Terrier number 10. Was it built when the Elm Tree team stop was? Plenty of services have used it over the years since it opened only 10 18 18a and 719 now use it. |
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Post by dougie on Apr 10, 2024 18:43:05 GMT
It was the terminus of the 6 (the truncated replacement for parts of the 64/70/71, now covered by the 9 and parts of what became the 41)
But Manor Top used to have a wider variety of routes (the M26/M27, the 10/11, the 40/41/42/44/49, the 127), now there’s very few buses pass through per hour other than the 120
But that’s what you get when one organisation spends the money to build the infrastructure and others to decide where to run services
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Post by littlenipper on Apr 11, 2024 16:51:44 GMT
It was the terminus of the 6 (the truncated replacement for parts of the 64/70/71, now covered by the 9 and parts of what became the 41) But Manor Top used to have a wider variety of routes (the M26/M27, the 10/11, the 40/41/42/44/49, the 127), now there’s very few buses pass through per hour other than the 120 But that’s what you get when one organisation spends the money to build the infrastructure and others to decide where to run services Going back to pre dreg Dougie this list of all services passing Manor top or to give its correct name elm tree lol 2 23 27 32 41 59 63 70 71 95 215 219 221 251 269 261 x27 x28 x29 x30 x50 x51 x52 x53. |
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Post by dougie on Apr 12, 2024 8:25:30 GMT
Going back to pre dreg Dougie this list of all services passing Manor top or to give its correct name elm tree lol 2 23 27 32 41 59 63 70 71 95 215 219 221 251 269 261 x27 x28 x29 x30 x50 x51 x52 x53. Cheers I’m bound to have got more than a few of these wrong, but, off the top of my head: 2 Outer circle, now mainly replaced by the 18 as far as a Hillsborough- Meadowhall - Manor Top- Scarsdale Road service goes (but the 2 served Malin Bridge, Concord, Banner Cross, Crosspool, Crookes, Hallamshire etc whilst the 18 serves Middlewood Road, Firth Park, Heeley etc) 23 Part of a circular with the 32 (plus the 723/732 Evening/ Sunday variants that were either via Norfolk Park instead of Granville Road or the other way round?). Essentially City- Manor Top- Handsworth- Woodhouse Mill - Normanton Spring - Manor Top- City, now covered in part by the 7/52/73. One of those fairly frequent SYT corridors that seemed cut to beef up another service (the 70/71 in this case) 27 Much like the modern day 41, this felt a surprising corridor for Terrier to compete on, but they sustained a twenty minute 127 for a long time (Terrier seemed to find these niches, rather than the more obvious Sheffield Omnibus/ Andrews/ Sheafline/ Powells etc) 32 see 23 41 essentially replaced by the modern 120 from town to Hackenthorpe/ Crystal Peaks, albeit via Granville Road (had short lived extensions to the Hallamshire and Batemoor) 59 Similar to the 2, but via Meadowhead, more like the modern 6 in the way it ran from Millhouses to town via Brocco Bank 63 like the modern 8 south of the city (ran through to Hillsborough to replace the 31 for a while) 70 71 Once a main corridor, before the trams, the Prince Of Wales circulars saw Terrier 10/11 compete on the City- Manor Top- Darnall section, with Mainline adding their own 711 to compete with the competition. The trams killed off the Norfolk Park demand (as did the knocking down of flats along the route. The 9 at least remains for the Darnall side. In fairness, the current 24/25 corridor saw a lot of improvements over the years from Manor- City that will have affected the numbers wanting to sit on the circulars via Darnall/ Manor Top. Some enthusiasts love circular services but many everyday passengers just want a direct service into their town/ city centre 95 Once every six minutes along City Road to Intake, now replaced by the 120 (extended to Dyke Vale / Birley/ Crystal Peaks etc for a while to cover cuts to other services) 215 219 Dinnington services, before the daytime route was consolidated into the route currently run by the modern day X5? 221 Swallownest via Treeton, kind of like the X54 but via Manor Top 251 Beighton circular with the 261? 269 pass! 261 see 251 x27 x28 Beighton via Dyke Vale Road, the kind of semi fast routes that barely exist in many cities now x29 Killamarsh, the corridor which Kingsman/ Terrier competed on with the X46/47 via the Parkway x30 precursor to the modern day TM 30 IIRC x50 current Stagecoach service to Chesterfield x51 x52 Killamarsh via Mosbrough, later running via Gleadless instead x53 current Stagecoach service to Mansfield If even half of these are right then it’s a far cry from today when one route (120) makes up half the buses from Manor Top into town, but that’s the difference between SYT days and the post-Overground era As mentioned with the 70/71, demolishing a lot of houses/ flats and building a tram (who’s business case was partly based on serving blocks like Kelvin on Langsett Road) really hurt the bus demands. And then when you lose the core demands like Manor Top/ Hillsborough to Town then the suburbs like Base Green/ Loxley suffer, losing their buses to both town and to their local hubs, even though they didn’t get the benefit of trams I’d forgotten how many routes were diverted onto the Parkway that used to serve Manor Top though |
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Post by littlenipper on Apr 12, 2024 10:32:35 GMT
Going back to pre dreg Dougie this list of all services passing Manor top or to give its correct name elm tree lol 2 23 27 32 41 59 63 70 71 95 215 219 221 251 269 261 x27 x28 x29 x30 x50 x51 x52 x53. Cheers I’m bound to have got more than a few of these wrong, but, off the top of my head: 2 Outer circle, now mainly replaced by the 18 as far as a Hillsborough- Meadowhall - Manor Top- Scarsdale Road service goes (but the 2 served Malin Bridge, Concord, Banner Cross, Crosspool, Crookes, Hallamshire etc whilst the 18 serves Middlewood Road, Firth Park, Heeley etc) 23 Part of a circular with the 32 (plus the 723/732 Evening/ Sunday variants that were either via Norfolk Park instead of Granville Road or the other way round?). Essentially City- Manor Top- Handsworth- Woodhouse Mill - Normanton Spring - Manor Top- City, now covered in part by the 7/52/73. One of those fairly frequent SYT corridors that seemed cut to beef up another service (the 70/71 in this case) 27 Much like the modern day 41, this felt a surprising corridor for Terrier to compete on, but they sustained a twenty minute 127 for a long time (Terrier seemed to find these niches, rather than the more obvious Sheffield Omnibus/ Andrews/ Sheafline/ Powells etc) 32 see 23 41 essentially replaced by the modern 120 from town to Hackenthorpe/ Crystal Peaks, albeit via Granville Road (had short lived extensions to the Hallamshire and Batemoor) 59 Similar to the 2, but via Meadowhead, more like the modern 6 in the way it ran from Millhouses to town via Brocco Bank 63 like the modern 8 south of the city (ran through to Hillsborough to replace the 31 for a while) 70 71 Once a main corridor, before the trams, the Prince Of Wales circulars saw Terrier 10/11 compete on the City- Manor Top- Darnall section, with Mainline adding their own 711 to compete with the competition. The trams killed off the Norfolk Park demand (as did the knocking down of flats along the route. The 9 at least remains for the Darnall side. In fairness, the current 24/25 corridor saw a lot of improvements over the years from Manor- City that will have affected the numbers wanting to sit on the circulars via Darnall/ Manor Top. Some enthusiasts love circular services but many everyday passengers just want a direct service into their town/ city centre 95 Once every six minutes along City Road to Intake, now replaced by the 120 (extended to Dyke Vale / Birley/ Crystal Peaks etc for a while to cover cuts to other services) 215 219 Dinnington services, before the daytime route was consolidated into the route currently run by the modern day X5? 221 Swallownest via Treeton, kind of like the X54 but via Manor Top 251 Beighton circular with the 261? 269 pass! 261 see 251 x27 x28 Beighton via Dyke Vale Road, the kind of semi fast routes that barely exist in many cities now x29 Killamarsh, the corridor which Kingsman/ Terrier competed on with the X46/47 via the Parkway x30 precursor to the modern day TM 30 IIRC x50 current Stagecoach service to Chesterfield x51 x52 Killamarsh via Mosbrough, later running via Gleadless instead x53 current Stagecoach service to Mansfield If even half of these are right then it’s a far cry from today when one route (120) makes up half the buses from Manor Top into town, but that’s the difference between SYT days and the post-Overground era As mentioned with the 70/71, demolishing a lot of houses/ flats and building a tram (who’s business case was partly based on serving blocks like Kelvin on Langsett Road) really hurt the bus demands. And then when you lose the core demands like Manor Top/ Hillsborough to Town then the suburbs like Base Green/ Loxley suffer, losing their buses to both town and to their local hubs, even though they didn’t get the benefit of trams I’d forgotten how many routes were diverted onto the Parkway that used to serve Manor Top though That's more or less correct ignore the 269 should be 260. |
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Post by crossscythe on Apr 12, 2024 12:45:55 GMT
It was the terminus of the 6 (the truncated replacement for parts of the 64/70/71, now covered by the 9 and parts of what became the 41) But Manor Top used to have a wider variety of routes (the M26/M27, the 10/11, the 40/41/42/44/49, the 127), now there’s very few buses pass through per hour other than the 120 But that’s what you get when one organisation spends the money to build the infrastructure and others to decide where to run services It does seem like rather a waste of a good interchange, especially with the tram and ASDA being next to it. |
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Post by crossscythe on Apr 12, 2024 13:01:16 GMT
Going back to pre dreg Dougie this list of all services passing Manor top or to give its correct name elm tree lol 2 23 27 32 41 59 63 70 71 95 215 219 221 251 269 261 x27 x28 x29 x30 x50 x51 x52 x53. Cheers I’m bound to have got more than a few of these wrong, but, off the top of my head: 2 Outer circle, now mainly replaced by the 18 as far as a Hillsborough- Meadowhall - Manor Top- Scarsdale Road service goes (but the 2 served Malin Bridge, Concord, Banner Cross, Crosspool, Crookes, Hallamshire etc whilst the 18 serves Middlewood Road, Firth Park, Heeley etc) 23 Part of a circular with the 32 (plus the 723/732 Evening/ Sunday variants that were either via Norfolk Park instead of Granville Road or the other way round?). Essentially City- Manor Top- Handsworth- Woodhouse Mill - Normanton Spring - Manor Top- City, now covered in part by the 7/52/73. One of those fairly frequent SYT corridors that seemed cut to beef up another service (the 70/71 in this case) 27 Much like the modern day 41, this felt a surprising corridor for Terrier to compete on, but they sustained a twenty minute 127 for a long time (Terrier seemed to find these niches, rather than the more obvious Sheffield Omnibus/ Andrews/ Sheafline/ Powells etc) 32 see 23 41 essentially replaced by the modern 120 from town to Hackenthorpe/ Crystal Peaks, albeit via Granville Road (had short lived extensions to the Hallamshire and Batemoor) 59 Similar to the 2, but via Meadowhead, more like the modern 6 in the way it ran from Millhouses to town via Brocco Bank 63 like the modern 8 south of the city (ran through to Hillsborough to replace the 31 for a while) 70 71 Once a main corridor, before the trams, the Prince Of Wales circulars saw Terrier 10/11 compete on the City- Manor Top- Darnall section, with Mainline adding their own 711 to compete with the competition. The trams killed off the Norfolk Park demand (as did the knocking down of flats along the route. The 9 at least remains for the Darnall side. In fairness, the current 24/25 corridor saw a lot of improvements over the years from Manor- City that will have affected the numbers wanting to sit on the circulars via Darnall/ Manor Top. Some enthusiasts love circular services but many everyday passengers just want a direct service into their town/ city centre 95 Once every six minutes along City Road to Intake, now replaced by the 120 (extended to Dyke Vale / Birley/ Crystal Peaks etc for a while to cover cuts to other services) 215 219 Dinnington services, before the daytime route was consolidated into the route currently run by the modern day X5? 221 Swallownest via Treeton, kind of like the X54 but via Manor Top 251 Beighton circular with the 261? 269 pass! 261 see 251 x27 x28 Beighton via Dyke Vale Road, the kind of semi fast routes that barely exist in many cities now x29 Killamarsh, the corridor which Kingsman/ Terrier competed on with the X46/47 via the Parkway x30 precursor to the modern day TM 30 IIRC x50 current Stagecoach service to Chesterfield x51 x52 Killamarsh via Mosbrough, later running via Gleadless instead x53 current Stagecoach service to Mansfield If even half of these are right then it’s a far cry from today when one route (120) makes up half the buses from Manor Top into town, but that’s the difference between SYT days and the post-Overground era As mentioned with the 70/71, demolishing a lot of houses/ flats and building a tram (who’s business case was partly based on serving blocks like Kelvin on Langsett Road) really hurt the bus demands. And then when you lose the core demands like Manor Top/ Hillsborough to Town then the suburbs like Base Green/ Loxley suffer, losing their buses to both town and to their local hubs, even though they didn’t get the benefit of trams I’d forgotten how many routes were diverted onto the Parkway that used to serve Manor Top though The number 2 is dearly missed by locals. A direct bus from Crosspool to (South) Crookes and Hallamshire Hospital was great. I used to catch it from Lydgate Lane to Meadowhall too. I think it ran from Manor top, Hollinsend,Gleadless Townend, Hemsworth, Norton Lees, Myrtle Road, Queen's Road, Interchange, Church Street, Hallamshire Hospital, Broomhill, Lydgate Lane, Manchester Road, Rivelin Post Office, Malin Bridge, Hillsborough, Herries Road, Northern General Hospital, Upton Street and Meadowhall, quite the route. It had many variations over the years though, being trunkated at Hillsborough, only running from tne Interchange, instead of Manor Top, running to Coldwell Lane, looping round Benty Lane in Crosspool and at one point it somehow ended up in Ecclesall. A later version of the 1 and 2 were introduced around 2008, though these didn't serve Crosspool. They ran from Hillsborough through Shirecliffe to Meadowhall and then Darnall to the afformentioned Manor Top Interchange. There used to be a number 6 that ran from Crimicar Lane to city perhaps that is the same incarnation that went to Manor Top Interchange. I agree with you about the trams killing bus demand on Park Grange. Looking back at pictures from the early 1990s, a variety of buses served that area. I am not sure any do nowadays, since the number 7 was axed. The demolition of the tower blocks has been mitigated by the build of new houses on there though. One thing is for sure, if the trams were being introduced today, Herdings wouldn't be included on the network after the towers there were knocked down. |
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Post by littlenipper on Apr 12, 2024 13:26:20 GMT
Cheers I’m bound to have got more than a few of these wrong, but, off the top of my head: 2 Outer circle, now mainly replaced by the 18 as far as a Hillsborough- Meadowhall - Manor Top- Scarsdale Road service goes (but the 2 served Malin Bridge, Concord, Banner Cross, Crosspool, Crookes, Hallamshire etc whilst the 18 serves Middlewood Road, Firth Park, Heeley etc) 23 Part of a circular with the 32 (plus the 723/732 Evening/ Sunday variants that were either via Norfolk Park instead of Granville Road or the other way round?). Essentially City- Manor Top- Handsworth- Woodhouse Mill - Normanton Spring - Manor Top- City, now covered in part by the 7/52/73. One of those fairly frequent SYT corridors that seemed cut to beef up another service (the 70/71 in this case) 27 Much like the modern day 41, this felt a surprising corridor for Terrier to compete on, but they sustained a twenty minute 127 for a long time (Terrier seemed to find these niches, rather than the more obvious Sheffield Omnibus/ Andrews/ Sheafline/ Powells etc) 32 see 23 41 essentially replaced by the modern 120 from town to Hackenthorpe/ Crystal Peaks, albeit via Granville Road (had short lived extensions to the Hallamshire and Batemoor) 59 Similar to the 2, but via Meadowhead, more like the modern 6 in the way it ran from Millhouses to town via Brocco Bank 63 like the modern 8 south of the city (ran through to Hillsborough to replace the 31 for a while) 70 71 Once a main corridor, before the trams, the Prince Of Wales circulars saw Terrier 10/11 compete on the City- Manor Top- Darnall section, with Mainline adding their own 711 to compete with the competition. The trams killed off the Norfolk Park demand (as did the knocking down of flats along the route. The 9 at least remains for the Darnall side. In fairness, the current 24/25 corridor saw a lot of improvements over the years from Manor- City that will have affected the numbers wanting to sit on the circulars via Darnall/ Manor Top. Some enthusiasts love circular services but many everyday passengers just want a direct service into their town/ city centre 95 Once every six minutes along City Road to Intake, now replaced by the 120 (extended to Dyke Vale / Birley/ Crystal Peaks etc for a while to cover cuts to other services) 215 219 Dinnington services, before the daytime route was consolidated into the route currently run by the modern day X5? 221 Swallownest via Treeton, kind of like the X54 but via Manor Top 251 Beighton circular with the 261? 269 pass! 261 see 251 x27 x28 Beighton via Dyke Vale Road, the kind of semi fast routes that barely exist in many cities now x29 Killamarsh, the corridor which Kingsman/ Terrier competed on with the X46/47 via the Parkway x30 precursor to the modern day TM 30 IIRC x50 current Stagecoach service to Chesterfield x51 x52 Killamarsh via Mosbrough, later running via Gleadless instead x53 current Stagecoach service to Mansfield If even half of these are right then it’s a far cry from today when one route (120) makes up half the buses from Manor Top into town, but that’s the difference between SYT days and the post-Overground era As mentioned with the 70/71, demolishing a lot of houses/ flats and building a tram (who’s business case was partly based on serving blocks like Kelvin on Langsett Road) really hurt the bus demands. And then when you lose the core demands like Manor Top/ Hillsborough to Town then the suburbs like Base Green/ Loxley suffer, losing their buses to both town and to their local hubs, even though they didn’t get the benefit of trams I’d forgotten how many routes were diverted onto the Parkway that used to serve Manor Top though The number 2 is dearly missed by locals. A direct bus from Crosspool to (South) Crookes and Hallamshire Hospital was great. I used to catch it from Lydgate Lane to Meadowhall too. I think it ran from Manor top, Hollinsend,Gleadless Townend, Hemsworth, Norton Lees, Myrtle Road, Queen's Road, Interchange, Church Street, Hallamshire Hospital, Broomhill, Lydgate Lane, Manchester Road, Rivelin Post Office, Malin Bridge, Hillsborough, Herries Road, Northern General Hospital, Upton Street and Meadowhall, quite the route. It had many variations over the years though, being trunkated at Hillsborough, only running from tne Interchange, instead of Manor Top, running to Coldwell Lane, looping round Benty Lane in Crosspool and at one point it somehow ended up in Ecclesall. A later version of the 1 and 2 were introduced around 2008, though these didn't serve Crosspool. They ran from Hillsborough through Shirecliffe to Meadowhall and then Darnall to the afformentioned Manor Top Interchange. There used to be a number 6 that ran from Crimicar Lane to city perhaps that is the same incarnation that went to Manor Top Interchange. I agree with you about the trams killing bus demand on Park Grange. Looking back at pictures from the early 1990s, a variety of buses served that area. I am not sure any do nowadays, since the number 7 was axed. The demolition of the tower blocks has been mitigated by the build of new houses on there though. One thing is for sure, if the trams were being introduced today, Herdings wouldn't be included on the network after the towers there were knocked down. The service 6 you mentioned was run by Sheffield and District following route 60 to crimicar lane then continue to lodge moor 51 terminus. Service changes July 2004 saw service 2 no longer serving Broomhill crookes Crosspool nether green Hunters Bar banner cross or Ecclesall instead running city london/abbeydale rd direct to Woodseats Rd. This was replaced by new service 12/702 ran city crookes nether green via Hallamshire Hospital Broomhill crookes Lydgate Lane coldwell Lane and ivy Park Rd.Hourly Monday-SATURDAY Service 702 Ran the same route as 2 city Hillsborough but cut back to morning Peaks monday -friday and afternoon school times. There no buses at all serving Middle of Norfolk park estate.Only one tower blocks was pulled down at Herdings with 2 still standing.with plenty of new houses built in its place. |
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Post by crossscythe on Apr 12, 2024 13:44:38 GMT
I remember the number 12 to Crosspool. It lasted for 2 years and then 2006 was the last time Lydgate Lane was served by a scheduled bus service.
I wonder if Manor Top Interchange was built before the tram network and change of road layout. It may have been possible before the seperated carriageways to have more buses using it.
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Post by littlenipper on Apr 12, 2024 14:17:04 GMT
I remember the number 12 to Crosspool. It lasted for 2 years and then 2006 was the last time Lydgate Lane was served by a scheduled bus service. I wonder if Manor Top Interchange was built before the tram network and change of road layout. It may have been possible before the seperated carriageways to have more buses using it. It was built when the tram system was built as there use to be a bus stop in same spot for 2/59 63 services. |
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