Old Route Maps/Timetable (Read 1,856 times)

[buswatch]

Just wondering what sort of transport history material people have.
I have a selection of Sheffield Area transport bus maps/fare books/tabletable booklets from late 60's to present. So covers the period of Sheffield Corp/Joint Comm/SYPTE/Mainline/First era's
When one looks at level of routes provided we have not lost that much ...which is a surprise... however route numbers have changed alot.

[rbrt]

yes i have often thought over the years how route numbers come and go.

in recent years the (x)26 has been a sheffield to rotherham circular type route serving beighton, killamarsh and aston.

but as a child it was the city to abbey lane service via abbey dale road, a tram replacement route i presume. it terminated at the cemetery gates. i remember the van hool deckers on it with a clippy. dont remember it being very busy, considering lower abbey lane doesnt even have a bus service now perhaps that why!

in pte days i recall several routes which only ran at peak time, and workers specials to the steel works... what do you mean meadowhall hasnt always been there etc.

[rbrt]

ps.

funny how under pte rotherham and doncasters routes were renumbered typically into the 1xx and 4xx series i believe. and then they have reverted to numbers which duplicate sheffield services.

so much for the idea of putting inter - town routes into the 2xx series, and how few of the Xxx fastline types have survived, a mistake I say those living further out had journey times almost car like with the limited stop and set down/pickup points.

so much for progress, de reg = mistake.

[buswatch]

First Sy Has made some bad decisions in my view and has gone for pure profit.In other parts of the First Empire it has Inter Urban Limited Stop Services under the brand 'Excel' and is much more pro active in marketing.Hopefully Stagecoach will shake them up. If you want new customers you have to market yourself and provided the service that you say you do. ( thinking about it thats maybe why they don't!!!

[busman3]

Even when I started work i 1976 the number of workers buses to steel works down the east end was enourmous around 10 from Woodseats alone

[Tom B]

For Doncaster at least, routes were made by taking the Doncaster Transport number and adding 160 to it - so the 10 to Cantley became the 170, the 3 to Beckett Lane became 163 etc.

[rbrt]

got a couple of those chunky little time tables used to buy from syt about 40p. one from just after the mergers that formed the group and one from early 80's.

routes hardly changed then, though several new routes were being added to the mosborough townships, in 83 or so recall coming out of school to find the 253 to Halfway had split, become a circle with other direction being 252, funny years later would end up driving them but by then as different routes again.

recall catching 253 when it was booth and fisher, lived at woodseats and my nan was jordanthorpe, formed a useful link and saved walking over to meadowhead too. the drivers sometimes used to give you a funny look asking for a 2p fare, but the chesterfields would sometimes say there was no such fare even, this would be the old 204 a joint service with syt.

have a book about history of pte and it lists routes and changes upto de reg or so.

guess post dereg is when most changes have taken place, didnt mainline once try to claim ownership of all city route numbers in court, sure was laughted out!.

thinking of those that of come and gone, find hard to believe inner circle 8 and 9 are history. others from syt that are rip include 17,24,
25 (as in woodhouse/beightoncirclethen254/255,260/261),
27 dyke vale road(terrier127,sheafline427),
28 herdings(terrier to intake)
23/32 woodhouse circles
36 batemoor
34/38/39 wincobank to meersbrook/norton/abbey dale- another bus down abbey lane no more!
42 as in joint with 53
43 jordanthorpe, ok has come,gone,come, probably go again!
436 the 43 and 36 combined.
49? parsons cross, number adopted by terrier later.
50 dore, not sure added to route 30 etc?
51 to herdings, ok charnock now, but cut my teeth on original.
70/71 manor circles, tram replacements? hurt by sut/terrier route 10?s, 70 is a westfield to darnall peak only service now.
72/74 think were peak time additonals to townend/charnock ie a 51 but via city road etc. both reused by omnibus.
94 omnibus combine of 53 and 93, now a fsy to birley.
96? to parkway market.

not exhaustive just a few I used to watch.

slightly off thread, mid 80's routes 2 and 59 were herris road but greenland assisted. around 8am a short runner which started at garage to carterknowle road i think would produce the most random vehicles, the oldest scrap ready, and the newest on trial. could pretty much tick off latest purchases from the 23xx dominators, the midi nippers, demonstrators and breadvans you name it.

[lapike]

I have a load of old tickets up in my loft from around 2000 - 2002, have all the old numbers on which is only reason i kept them.

[mattw]

some great momorobillia there madcow.

I have had a look at all the documents though i could not view the diary for some reason?

i wish they would show Mass & Powells what to display in their destination blinds and where to stop!

[madcow]

my grandad was a bus driver for sheffield transport in the 1930's( mid to late),working out of townhead garage,one of his routes was the 57 stocksbridge. unfortunately he was killed in action during the withdrawl from Dunkirk after leaving what was a reseved occuipation to join the army and fight in france.
i do have several items belonging to him from that period,such as his original S.T. cap badge ,a drivers time sheet, details of destination change to route 110 and copies of his work diaries . extracts from which i hope you will find of interest

[mattw]

Please allert Mass Special engineering / Mass Leon Transit Of Finningley with the following link

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[manontheinside]

Some great nostalgia there!

However, for certain comments - CHANGE DOES NOT NECESSARILY MEAN BAD! Is anybody really suggesting that we should provide 10 buses to the [closed] steelworks, or that areas that have been demolished or vastly reduced should have the same service level. How about the tram, how about areas with better service - such as Charnock or Birley?

I'm not starting war here, but two sides to each story.

As for other stuff - M services tend to be a lemon these days as the costs just can't be met with current pay rates, and many can't even take a Solo such is parking. X services - i kind of agree, but equally sitting on the parkway aint much fun. There may be room for more limited stop services, but in many cases they were wasteful and missed out the areas that would make them worth keeping on. Has to be a good flow, X32 and now X33 are reasonable cases in point.

Its also ridiculously unfair to used the Excel brand as an example! South Yorkshire doesn't really have a lot of potential for such services (Barnsley traditionally having a different operator to the rest of SY doesn't help!), and even where there are possibilities, they hardly require a coach (remember the length of journey and the "wheres my low floor bus" brigade!) of Excel standard. I doubt MegaBus will start a Barnsley - Sheffield route! Some things like that are best left to railways as roads these days are at best unpredictable for traffic.