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Post by tom123 on May 7, 2024 9:16:29 GMT
is 69525 going same way or can that be fixed ? |
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Post by crossscythe on May 7, 2024 10:05:30 GMT
The 120 really needs the double decker capacity, it gets busy all along the route and especially on the city-Birley Spa Lane stretch - I wouldn't be surprised if that was the most profitable route in Sheffield. The Xs vary. The Doncaster ones need a double deck for the Peaks but Off -Peak, a single deck would suffice. so does 51 another busy route with high passenger numbers Only during the weekday Peaks in my opinion. It's a busier route than it gets credit for and a frequency increase would be welcomed but like most routes in Sheffield, it can cope with a single decker 70% of the time. Even back in Mainline days, it ran with a Silver Service B10M. |
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Post by tom123 on May 7, 2024 11:17:31 GMT
so does 51 another busy route with high passenger numbers Only during the weekday Peaks in my opinion. It's a busier route than it gets credit for and a frequency increase would be welcomed but like most routes in Sheffield, it can cope with a single decker 70% of the time. Even back in Mainline days, it ran with a Silver Service B10M. agreed it is about time most routes in Sheffield increase frequency 51 , 120 being some examples they be more , however not enough buses in fleet to do this. I also noticed Saturday afternoon also busy period |
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Post by TC60054 on May 7, 2024 12:41:16 GMT
is 69525 going same way or can that be fixed ? 69525 is in the process of getting a new engine already. |
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Post by crossscythe on May 7, 2024 15:52:22 GMT
Only during the weekday Peaks in my opinion. It's a busier route than it gets credit for and a frequency increase would be welcomed but like most routes in Sheffield, it can cope with a single decker 70% of the time. Even back in Mainline days, it ran with a Silver Service B10M. agreed it is about time most routes in Sheffield increase frequency 51 , 120 being some examples they be more , however not enough buses in fleet to do this. I also noticed Saturday afternoon also busy period It's pretty much busy everyday as om Weekends the reduced frequency means huge queues at the bus stops. 51, 81, 82 etc have appalling frequency considering these were flagship routes not that long ago. There may be the 83a and 120 touching the outskirts of Lodge Moor but that's no good to people wanting to go to Claremont Hospital. There's the 97/98 to the bottom of Dore but there's still a steep mile long walk up to the village. Similar with Stannington and Hall Park Head really. Perhaps Oliver Coppard should have used HM Government money to fund buses to improve frequency on these routes instead of city clippers that only serve as rentals for joyriders! |
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Post by td on May 7, 2024 16:20:47 GMT
agreed it is about time most routes in Sheffield increase frequency 51 , 120 being some examples they be more , however not enough buses in fleet to do this. I also noticed Saturday afternoon also busy period It's pretty much busy everyday as om Weekends the reduced frequency means huge queues at the bus stops. 51, 81, 82 etc have appalling frequency considering these were flagship routes not that long ago. There may be the 83a and 120 touching the outskirts of Lodge Moor but that's no good to people wanting to go to Claremont Hospital. There's the 97/98 to the bottom of Dore but there's still a steep mile long walk up to the village. Similar with Stannington and Hall Park Head really. Perhaps Oliver Coppard should have used HM Government money to fund buses to improve frequency on these routes instead of city clippers that only serve as rentals for joyriders! Pretty sure that under bus deregulation laws it's illegal for local authorities to interfere with frequencies on profitable routes, which all of the above *probably* are (51, 120 certainly is). Big reason why he's pushing for a Manc style franchising system |
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Post by crossscythe on May 7, 2024 17:38:06 GMT
It's pretty much busy everyday as om Weekends the reduced frequency means huge queues at the bus stops. 51, 81, 82 etc have appalling frequency considering these were flagship routes not that long ago. There may be the 83a and 120 touching the outskirts of Lodge Moor but that's no good to people wanting to go to Claremont Hospital. There's the 97/98 to the bottom of Dore but there's still a steep mile long walk up to the village. Similar with Stannington and Hall Park Head really. Perhaps Oliver Coppard should have used HM Government money to fund buses to improve frequency on these routes instead of city clippers that only serve as rentals for joyriders! Pretty sure that under bus deregulation laws it's illegal for local authorities to interfere with frequencies on profitable routes, which all of the above *probably* are (51, 120 certainly is). Big reason why he's pushing for a Manc style franchising system I'm pretty sure they already do that, with the tendered 86 services and the tendered extension of service 120 to Killamarsh and if I'm not mistaken, the extension to the 52a to Loxley is tendered from Hillsborough Interchange, I do believe. If Coppard actually cared about public transport, he'd work with the council to reopen Leopold Street. |
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Post by overground on May 7, 2024 19:06:27 GMT
is 69525 going same way or can that be fixed ? 69525 is in the process of getting a new engine already. process of having 69245’s engine |
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Post by td on May 7, 2024 22:08:00 GMT
Pretty sure that under bus deregulation laws it's illegal for local authorities to interfere with frequencies on profitable routes, which all of the above *probably* are (51, 120 certainly is). Big reason why he's pushing for a Manc style franchising system I'm pretty sure they already do that, with the tendered 86 services and the tendered extension of service 120 to Killamarsh and if I'm not mistaken, the extension to the 52a to Loxley is tendered from Hillsborough Interchange, I do believe. If Coppard actually cared about public transport, he'd work with the council to reopen Leopold Street. If you're referring to the FSY 86s on evening and sundays they're tendered because there's no way any company's willing to run those sorts of times voluntarily. I think it applies to a couple other routes too, the 83 springs to mind. But paying to increase frequency on an existing route is a different animal and would mess with the finances of the operator. I think the point of tendering is to provide a bus service as opposed to a good bus service |
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Post by metromadman on May 7, 2024 23:46:22 GMT
I'm pretty sure they already do that, with the tendered 86 services and the tendered extension of service 120 to Killamarsh and if I'm not mistaken, the extension to the 52a to Loxley is tendered from Hillsborough Interchange, I do believe. If Coppard actually cared about public transport, he'd work with the council to reopen Leopold Street. If you're referring to the FSY 86s on evening and sundays they're tendered because there's no way any company's willing to run those sorts of times voluntarily. I think it applies to a couple other routes too, the 83 springs to mind. But paying to increase frequency on an existing route is a different animal and would mess with the finances of the operator. I think the point of tendering is to provide a bus service as opposed to a good bus service I doubt we will ever see Leopold Street reopened to buses/traffic, and I believe the politics of Sheffield "connect" arose because of this. I'll stand corrected, but I'm sure an MP/Counsellor/SCC vowed to reinstate links to that area where normal buses could no longer serve. Indeed. And you'll notice the 86 is only tendered City Centre - High Green as the City Centre - Lowedges sections are covered by other services (the only roads not covered, but only a short walk from routes 76/97/98 is Archer Rd & Huttcliffe Wood Road, whereas on the North side, the village of Grenoside would have around a mile+ walk to get to the next nearest bus. The same can be said about the 83 which only serves City - Ecclesfield, as most of the City - Fulwood route is covered by other commercial services (along Ecclesall Rd and 120s around Fulwood). I'd have a guess any say the 120K is only funded between Crystal Peaks and Norwood, however, rather than having it a standalone service running between Peaks and Norwood, First have bolted it onto the end of one of their 120 journeys an hour, so although running Fulwood-Norwood, Fulwood-Peaks would be commercial, and the last section Peaks-Norwood would be funded. |
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Post by dougie on May 9, 2024 11:22:14 GMT
I doubt we will ever see Leopold Street reopened to buses/traffic, and I believe the politics of Sheffield "connect" arose because of this. I'll stand corrected, but I'm sure an MP/Counsellor/SCC vowed to reinstate links to that area where normal buses could no longer serve There’s not much around Leopold Street these days, and the building works would have significantly disrupted bus services over the past couple of years A bigger issue for me would be running at least some of the north-south routes via High St, Church St, West St and Carver St to access The Moor that way and keep the High St/ Fargate area attractive At the moment, it can be just as contested around there as when there were dozens of buses an hour, it’s just that it’s been mainly given over to double parked taxis and delivery drivers waiting for their next McDonalds order - would be much better if buses could stop there again However, Going back to Leopold St would mean the same old queues around Furnival Gate, with buses backed up to the Peace Gardens at times |
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Post by crossscythe on May 9, 2024 13:56:33 GMT
I doubt we will ever see Leopold Street reopened to buses/traffic, and I believe the politics of Sheffield "connect" arose because of this. I'll stand corrected, but I'm sure an MP/Counsellor/SCC vowed to reinstate links to that area where normal buses could no longer serve There’s not much around Leopold Street these days, and the building works would have significantly disrupted bus services over the past couple of years A bigger issue for me would be running at least some of the north-south routes via High St, Church St, West St and Carver St to access The Moor that way and keep the High St/ Fargate area attractive At the moment, it can be just as contested around there as when there were dozens of buses an hour, it’s just that it’s been mainly given over to double parked taxis and delivery drivers waiting for their next McDonalds order - would be much better if buses could stop there again However, Going back to Leopold St would mean the same old queues around Furnival Gate, with buses backed up to the Peace Gardens at times Leopold Street and surrounding roads still see high footfall, compared to Fargate and High Street. Orchard Square and Peace Gardens and the new hotel coming soon will make it more popular. The bus stops on Leopold/Pinstone/High Street are much better for passengers than the crappy ones outside Odeon now. I never found congestion on Furnival Gate to be an issue. |
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Post by TC60054 on May 11, 2024 11:34:04 GMT
35262 35266 now at Olive.
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Post by tom123 on May 11, 2024 13:09:42 GMT
35262 35266 now at Olive. how many more are due to OG ? |
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Post by TC60054 on May 12, 2024 13:35:25 GMT
37478 and 37484 have now gone.
36203 36245 gearboxes.
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