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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2014 20:38:00 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2014 20:50:32 GMT
Interesting proposals here:
We are interested in views on transferring some services
between the Northern and TPE and East Midlands Trains
(EMT) franchises – a process known as 're-mapping'. The
aims would include the delivery of efficiencies enabled by
current infrastructure projects (e.g. North West electrification -
see Chapter 3) and alignment of services more closely with
the business characteristics of the individual franchises.
3.65 The current proposals which may affect the Northern and TPE
franchises are:
Transfer from TPE to Northern:
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Manchester Airport to Blackpool North
Services to Windermere
Barrow-in-Furness to Lancaster/Manchester Airport
York to Scarborough
Doncaster to Cleethorpes
Transfer from Northern to TPE
One train per hour Doncaster to Hull (one train per hour to
remain with Northern)
Transfer from EMT to TPE:
the Nottingham – Liverpool portion of the existing EMT
Norwich –Liverpool service
Transfer from Northern to EMT:
Cleethorpes to Barton-on-Humber (if Doncaster -
Cleethorpes remains with TPE)
These franchise remapping proposals may result in a number
of stations being operated by a different franchisee.
Only having Transpennine as far as Doncaster that won't go down well with Scunthorpe and Cleethorpe types and reroute it to Hull instead.
In the case of South Humberside services, stations between
Doncaster and Cleethorpes currently have an hourly TPE
service from Manchester Airport. Passenger loadings are
relatively high between Manchester Airport and Doncaster but
low between Doncaster and Cleethorpes. The majority of
passengers from Cleethorpes, Grimsby and Scunthorpe are
travelling only as far as Sheffield or connecting at Doncaster or
Sheffield for onward services, rather than travelling over the
Pennines.
5.13 We are therefore examining the option, subject to operational
constraints, of terminating the TPE service from Manchester at
Doncaster with a replacement Sheffield-Cleethorpes service
being operated by Northern, possibly as an extension of the
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existing hourly Northern Sheffield-Scunthorpe service. A wider
package of changes could also feature the transfer of one of
Northern's two services between Doncaster and Hull in each
hour to TPE, allowing a through TPE service to Hull via the
South TransPennine route (i.e. via Sheffield)
Remapping and South Humberside connectivity - questions
STP2: What factors do you consider should be taken into
account in the assessment of the remapping and South
Humberside connectivity options? Please provide any evidence
you may have.
STP3: In particular, what factors do you think should be taken
into account in considering the case for replacing TPE services
between Doncaster and Cleethorpes with a service operated by
Northern? Please provide any evidence you may have.
STP4: Are there other options that you would put forward for
consideration? Please provide any evidence you may have.
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sweb
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Post by sweb on Jun 9, 2014 21:41:49 GMT
Some interesting points although I wonder regarding the logic of the Doncaster to Cleethorpes and Hull changes, what benefit will TPE having one of the Doncaster to Hull workings have, presumably this will be the current Sheffield to Bridlington/ Scarborough runs perhaps curtailed in Hull?
For the Hull/ Cleethorpes situation ignoring the Barton curveball surely the current allocation makes more sense (other than all Northern)?
How many people travel through Nottingham on the Norwich service? If the routes are going to be exchanged there is an argument that the full Sheffield – Manchester route goes to Northern, with the current Manchester Airport - Cleethorpes service running as now.
“5.13 We are therefore examining the option, subject to operational
constraints, of terminating the TPE service from Manchester at
Doncaster with a replacement Sheffield-Cleethorpes service
being operated by Northern, possibly as an extension of the
existing hourly Northern Sheffield-Scunthorpe service”
So does this mean halving the frequency to Scunthorpe and extended journey times east of Scunthorpe?
If the service to the west from Grimsby and Cleethorpes is going to be reduced would there be merit in looking at enhancing the Sheffield – Retford – Cleethorpes service? This would provide a second and potentially quicker link to the ECML than an all stops service as suggested, it would also bolster the frequency from Retford, Worksop and the other stations to Sheffield in the process, subject of course to units, end to end can be done in 1hr 55 (current timetable is very slack) so the potential option will make this the quicker route to Cleethorpes.
The north west transfers and Scarborough transfers are no surprise, presumably the Scarborough runs will be added onto the Blackpool North runs per the historic arrangement.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2014 21:47:52 GMT
Persumably Sweb when the service was disrupted by the Hatfield landslide they noticed that the either the passenger numbers were not affected very much, people found alternative routes and never came back or they firmly believe that having a direct service from Hull will increase passenger numbers significantly.
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sweb
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Post by sweb on Jun 9, 2014 22:01:25 GMT
For anybody travelling from Hull to Manchester, an interesting comparison, via Leeds is 1hr 50ish at the moment so with good connections in absence of a through service it could be done in 2hr, a direct service via Sheffield would take circa 2hr 20 so would still be quicker subject to connections to change at Leeds.
Hopefully if Northern did do Sheffield - Cleethorpes all stops it would be something better than a 142 or 144!
I have heard some rumours regarding more trains via Gainsborough Central from 2016 onwards, is there any truth in this or is it pure speculation?
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Post by jakerton43 on Jun 9, 2014 23:13:57 GMT
I have heard some rumours regarding more trains via Gainsborough Central from 2016 onwards, is there any truth in this or is it pure speculation? I have heard the same. Apparently an action group based in Gainsborough wants funding to improve facility's and a regeneration of Gainsborough Central. Also which may include a weekday service to Gainsborough Central, as it's only served 3 times a day on a Saturday. |
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Post by lysander on Jul 21, 2014 8:42:26 GMT
Is this connected with the consultation document suggesting that we might have to pay more in rail fares, in return for having more investment?
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