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Post by dougie on Jan 11, 2019 21:19:08 GMT
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Post by peggy on Jan 12, 2019 11:01:38 GMT
. Diverting it into Holland Won't that slow the journey down too much plus what would the PVR be :-) |
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Post by dougie on Jan 12, 2019 11:46:40 GMT
. Diverting it into Holland Won't that slow the journey down too much plus what would the PVR be :-) PVR could go up by a couple if they divert it into Hoyland and extend it to the Hallamshire (via the Moor) - surprising to see a bus company happy to expand a service, rather than cutting it back. Going via central Hoyland will make the overall journey slower, but since there are four trains an hour from Barnsley to Sheffield plus the X17 down the motorway, maybe the focus will be on attracting more intermediate passengers to the 2. Also, if they divert it into Hoyland (and away from Wosboorugh Village) maybe the plan is to reduce the (every twelve minutes) 66 to every 10/20/10/20 minutes, to provide a co-ordinated ten minute service with the 2 for most of the journey? Given the time penalty for diverting into Firth Park on the 1/1a, I wonder if there's scope for more 2s from Chapletown into Sheffield (maybe cut some 1/1as back to Lane Top)? |
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Post by peggy on Jan 12, 2019 12:37:49 GMT
dougie it was a little joke look at how you've spelt Hoyland :-) Personally I think diverting the 2 into Hoyland is a good idea and surprised it's not happened before now. The extension to Hallamshire seems a bit unnecessary. There's plenty of busses upto the Hospital plus there's the H1 link Hospital link.
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Post by manclad on Jan 12, 2019 12:54:56 GMT
Diverting into Hoyland is a good call. Hoyland lost it's Sheffield bus in 2006 and much of Hoyland is a fair way from Elsecar & Wombwell stations. I don't think the 2 should be diverted through Hoyland AND Elsecar via the old 271/72 route but straight down Milton Road when leaving Hoyland.
Alternatively, increasing the 2 to a 20 minute frequency with the 3rd bus being numbered 2A committing Worsbrough Village but serving Hoyland with the other two buses in the hour staying as they are.
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Post by dougie on Jan 12, 2019 18:01:45 GMT
dougie it was a little joke look at how you've spelt Hoyland :-) Personally I think diverting the 2 into Hoyland is a good idea and surprised it's not happened before now. The extension to Hallamshire seems a bit unnecessary. There's plenty of busses upto the Hospital plus there's the H1 link Hospital link. Apologies Peggy - I must change my spellcheck from DoubleDutch back to English!  The old 265 is a difficult service - it'll never compete with the train for Barnsley - Sheffield journeys but running along the main road misses out on Hoyland/ Ecclesfield Village/ Firth Park etc, so do Stagecoach compete on time (speeding it up), on price (dirt cheap fares to try to compete with Northern Rail) or do what they've done on the Chestefield 50 and get some four year old "Gold" vehicles and go upmarket? Certainly nicer than a Pacer! I agree that there are lots of buses from town to the Hallamshire but pretty much all of them come from Crystal Peaks/ Manor Top (the 120). The Halamshire used to have direct services to places like Woodseats (2/59), Meadowhall (the 8/9 circular), Hillsborough (the 5/201/M67/S6A etc), Woodhouse (30) etc. Now, the only cross-city links left are the half hourly 6 and the frequent 120. Plus whilst the Northern General has a frequent service, links on the other side of town are mainly restricted to Gleadless Valley (1/1A) and Nether Edge (3/3A). And a short walk (to Fir Vale) gets you the 75/76 to Woodseats. But there are a lot of Students/ staff who spend part of their week at both hospitals, and the H1 can be very busy (I was lucky to be able to stand on it a few months ago because the vehicle was so busy that it had to leave some behind at the NGH). It's not the biggest problem in Sheffield, I'm sure there are plenty of "missing links" in South Yorkshire that we could compile, but I can see why they'd think that the loadings on the H1 mean it might be worth trying a service that would link Chapletown/ Ecclesfield etc to West Street and the University/ Hallamshire area (short walk to Jessops/ Childrens Hospital/ Weston Park Hospital etc). |
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Post by dougie on Jan 12, 2019 18:03:52 GMT
Diverting into Hoyland is a good call. Hoyland lost it's Sheffield bus in 2006 and much of Hoyland is a fair way from Elsecar & Wombwell stations. I don't think the 2 should be diverted through Hoyland AND Elsecar via the old 271/72 route but straight down Milton Road when leaving Hoyland. Alternatively, increasing the 2 to a 20 minute frequency with the 3rd bus being numbered 2A committing Worsbrough Village but serving Hoyland with the other two buses in the hour staying as they are. Ah, the Terrier 72! Is that thirteen years already? A long way on an old Dart! |
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Post by busworld7736 on Jan 12, 2019 19:05:54 GMT
Diverting into Hoyland is a good call. Hoyland lost it's Sheffield bus in 2006 and much of Hoyland is a fair way from Elsecar & Wombwell stations. I don't think the 2 should be diverted through Hoyland AND Elsecar via the old 271/72 route but straight down Milton Road when leaving Hoyland. Alternatively, increasing the 2 to a 20 minute frequency with the 3rd bus being numbered 2A committing Worsbrough Village but serving Hoyland with the other two buses in the hour staying as they are. If do thag why not making service 2 every 15 minutes with 2 departing at sat 00 and 30 and 2a departing at 15 and 45 from from Barnsley |
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Post by mojoe44 on Jan 12, 2019 19:05:55 GMT
Part of the plan is to reduce the 66 to a fifteen minute frequency.
Removing Worsbrough village and serving Hoyland shouldn't change the journey time by much I wouldn't have thought, and the proposed routes for the hallamshire extension should only take around fifteen minutes each way, so I assume the PVR would only be increased by one. Perhaps the 2a idea could work but keep the half hour frequency- keep the 2 as it is serving Worsbrough village but hourly, and have an hourly 2a serving Hoyland. I like the idea of running it limited stop on the Sheffield end with so many other buses on this corridor, but I'm not sure it's necessary on the Barnsley end since there's already the x17 for that, and to me it seems like more hassle for the passenger than it's worth for the small amount of time saved. At least that's what it seems like on the 50.
Speaking of the 50, I don't have any data obviously but to me it doesn't seem like patronage is up since it went gold, so perhaps keeping it as it was and using the gold scanias on the 2 would have made more sense, like you said it would make end to end travel more attractive due to comfort since it can't compete with the train on time or price really.
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Post by rhole on Jan 12, 2019 21:12:59 GMT
Reducing the 66 and diverting the 2 to Hoyland seems like a good idea. I live at Hoyland Common and the amount of Double Deckers serving the corridor from Birdwell/Rockingham roundabout to Barnsley is unreal for the amount of passengers outside of the morning/afternoon home rush hours. The X17 just got added in to the mix. This cuts the buses on the 66 while upgrading the route in general with Hoyland getting a Sheffield bus. Cannot comment much on Wosbrough Village but the 67a/b/c are frequent enough compared to the services that some places get I would think.
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Post by duncan on Jan 14, 2019 14:55:06 GMT
dougie it was a little joke look at how you've spelt Hoyland :-) Personally I think diverting the 2 into Hoyland is a good idea and surprised it's not happened before now. The extension to Hallamshire seems a bit unnecessary. There's plenty of busses upto the Hospital plus there's the H1 link Hospital link. Personally, I suspect it's about trying to find an usp for it at the same time as finding a better terminal than currently. With buses stacking there for up to 15 minutes at times it causes a lot of congestion at what is already a busy stop. |
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Post by dougie on Jan 14, 2019 20:21:43 GMT
dougie it was a little joke look at how you've spelt Hoyland :-) Personally I think diverting the 2 into Hoyland is a good idea and surprised it's not happened before now. The extension to Hallamshire seems a bit unnecessary. There's plenty of busses upto the Hospital plus there's the H1 link Hospital link. Personally, I suspect it's about trying to find an usp for it at the same time as finding a better terminal than currently. With buses stacking there for up to 15 minutes at times it causes a lot of congestion at what is already a busy stop. Good point - and there's little using the Hallamshire turning circle nowadays (the H1 and the 10/10A but it's pretty quiet compared to the years when the 30/41/42/44/short 60s/120s etc terminated there at various times) Moorfoot isn't ideal for the X1s but presumably they are going down to every fifteen minutes when the Rotherham changes come in (?) |
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Post by duncan on Jan 14, 2019 21:20:10 GMT
Personally, I suspect it's about trying to find an usp for it at the same time as finding a better terminal than currently. With buses stacking there for up to 15 minutes at times it causes a lot of congestion at what is already a busy stop. Moorfoot isn't ideal for the X1s but presumably they are going down to every fifteen minutes when the Rotherham changes come in (?) There is another story, I feel that is way too sensible to happen. The associated increase in the X78 will only work if deckers are used and someone somewhere seems determined to stop that happening. |
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Post by dougie on Jan 15, 2019 8:26:11 GMT
Moorfoot isn't ideal for the X1s but presumably they are going down to every fifteen minutes when the Rotherham changes come in (?) There is another story, I feel that is way too sensible to happen. The associated increase in the X78 will only work if deckers are used and someone somewhere seems determined to stop that happening. As a humble passenger, I don't "get" the increase to the X78 - at least the fifteen minute frequency made sense to co-ordinate with the Stagecoach Dearne Valley services from Conisbrough into Doncaster, and fifteen minutes would co-ordinate with the revised X1 too, but going up to every twelve means it won't co-ordinate with anything (but isn't frequent enough to be memorable for passengers and isn't back up to the old frequency). Seems odd to be complaining about a frequency increase, I know but something seems a bit odd about the situation - are First making the decisions for themselves? |
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Post by duncan on Jan 15, 2019 19:02:08 GMT
There is another story, I feel that is way too sensible to happen. The associated increase in the X78 will only work if deckers are used and someone somewhere seems determined to stop that happening. As a humble passenger, I don't "get" the increase to the X78 - at least the fifteen minute frequency made sense to co-ordinate with the Stagecoach Dearne Valley services from Conisbrough into Doncaster, and fifteen minutes would co-ordinate with the revised X1 too, but going up to every twelve means it won't co-ordinate with anything (but isn't frequent enough to be memorable for passengers and isn't back up to the old frequency). Seems odd to be complaining about a frequency increase, I know but something seems a bit odd about the situation - are First making the decisions for themselves? I suspect First are not making the decision themselves. As for the co-ordination, both services tend to run with reasonable delays so are pretty random in their arrival times particularly in bound to Doncaster. Its more about capacity to Meadowhall and any increase there would be a massive benefit. Deckers would really turn things round but you just get the feeling that First dont want that. |
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