SCR - Rotherham Transport Projects (Read 621 times)

[rothlad]

Some welcome news coming from Rotherham MBC, that £46m is to be spent on transport projects around the Rotherham borough. Sadly, this doesn't include any heavy rail proposals such as the suggested new mainline station at either Masbrough, or Parkgate.

www.rothbiz.co.uk/2020/06/news-7385-millions-for-rotherham.html

The projects that are included within the scheme are:

A6178 Sheffield Road 
On-road, fully segregated cycle lane; around 2.2km as segregated from Blackburn Meadows Way to Ickles then around 1km segregated from Ickles to the Rotherham town centre £5.57m

A631 Rotherham to Maltby Bus Corridor
Around 1.2km bus lane along A631 Rotherham Road, Maltby towards M18 J1 with bus priority pre-signals £2.25m

Waverley / Advanced Manufacturing Park (AMP) to the town centre 
A fully segregated cycle route along the A631 Bawtry Road between Brinsworth and Tinsley / Meadowhall (includes Wood Lane) £1.5m

Advanced Manufacturing Innovation District to Sheffield 
Three schemes: Development of core active travel route connecting city centre to AMP corridor, including spur to Olympic Legacy Park (£10.25m); Development of core active travel route linking Meadowhall with Rotherham Council's proposals on Sheffield Road (£2.8m); Bus priority measures through Attercliffe, Darnall and around Meadowhall (£3.7m) £16.75m

Magna Tram Train Stop 
A new stop on the Tram-Train line at Magna with associated [150 space] park and ride facility £5.4m

Manvers Way
Provision of safe, direct attractive walking and cycling route, including crossings between Manvers Way and Wath town centre £0.4m

Parkgate
Three schemes: a new access into the Parkgate Shopping Centre from Aldwarke Lane (£5.13m); widening the southern entry and exit to the five arm Taylors Lane roundabout to improve capacity (£3.0925m); A 300 space Park and Ride facility for the Tram Train stop at Parkgate (£3.33m) £11.55m

Doncaster Road, Dalton
Extending the two traffic lanes exiting the roundabout on the A630 Doncaster Road towards Dalton by around 250m £1.2m

Rotherham town centre
Two projects: Contribution to the replacement of the existing footbridge between the Forge Island development and Corporation Street (£1m); Cycle infrastructure improvements along Fredrick Street to provide a bi-directional cross town-centre link (£0.4m) £1.4m

In addition to these projects funded via the Transforming Cities Fund, a £42m project is planned to widen the Parkway in Rotherham and millions of pounds worth of transport improvements are being devised to support the large housing development proposed for Bassingthorpe Farm. Work is also ongoing to find further was to address connectivity issues around the AMP and Waverley development.

[duncan]

It would appear then that the unannounced results of the tram train trial have been leaked or is it just pie in the sky?
How on earth can the tram train be a success with the exclusive section seeing the lowest use of any part of the network?

Jul 24, 2020 10:38:14 GMT rothlad said:

Some welcome news coming from Rotherham MBC, that £46m is to be spent on transport projects around the Rotherham borough. Sadly, this doesn't include any heavy rail proposals such as the suggested new mainline station at either Masbrough, or Parkgate.

www.rothbiz.co.uk/2020/06/news-7385-millions-for-rotherham.html

The projects that are included within the scheme are:

A6178 Sheffield Road 
On-road, fully segregated cycle lane; around 2.2km as segregated from Blackburn Meadows Way to Ickles then around 1km segregated from Ickles to the Rotherham town centre £5.57m

A631 Rotherham to Maltby Bus Corridor
Around 1.2km bus lane along A631 Rotherham Road, Maltby towards M18 J1 with bus priority pre-signals £2.25m

Waverley / Advanced Manufacturing Park (AMP) to the town centre 
A fully segregated cycle route along the A631 Bawtry Road between Brinsworth and Tinsley / Meadowhall (includes Wood Lane) £1.5m

Advanced Manufacturing Innovation District to Sheffield 
Three schemes: Development of core active travel route connecting city centre to AMP corridor, including spur to Olympic Legacy Park (£10.25m); Development of core active travel route linking Meadowhall with Rotherham Council's proposals on Sheffield Road (£2.8m); Bus priority measures through Attercliffe, Darnall and around Meadowhall (£3.7m) £16.75m

Magna Tram Train Stop 
A new stop on the Tram-Train line at Magna with associated [150 space] park and ride facility £5.4m

Manvers Way
Provision of safe, direct attractive walking and cycling route, including crossings between Manvers Way and Wath town centre £0.4m

Parkgate
Three schemes: a new access into the Parkgate Shopping Centre from Aldwarke Lane (£5.13m); widening the southern entry and exit to the five arm Taylors Lane roundabout to improve capacity (£3.0925m); A 300 space Park and Ride facility for the Tram Train stop at Parkgate (£3.33m) £11.55m

Doncaster Road, Dalton
Extending the two traffic lanes exiting the roundabout on the A630 Doncaster Road towards Dalton by around 250m £1.2m

Rotherham town centre
Two projects: Contribution to the replacement of the existing footbridge between the Forge Island development and Corporation Street (£1m); Cycle infrastructure improvements along Fredrick Street to provide a bi-directional cross town-centre link (£0.4m) £1.4m

In addition to these projects funded via the Transforming Cities Fund, a £42m project is planned to widen the Parkway in Rotherham and millions of pounds worth of transport improvements are being devised to support the large housing development proposed for Bassingthorpe Farm. Work is also ongoing to find further was to address connectivity issues around the AMP and Waverley development.

[TC60054]

I think when Stagecoach made the announcement that the service would continue until at least the end of the concession in 2024 instead of the end of the two-year DfT funded trial, that kinda gave the impression that it was deemed as a success.

Have you any proof that the Tinsley <> Rotherham section has the lowest use of any part of the tramway? Services heading past Gleadless up to Herdings are still incredibly quiet for at least 90% of off-peak operating hours, as an example.

[duncan]

Jul 24, 2020 17:58:49 GMT TC60054 said:

I think when Stagecoach made the announcement that the service would continue until at least the end of the concession in 2024 instead of the end of the two-year DfT funded trial, that kinda gave the impression that it was deemed as a success.

Have you any proof that the Tinsley <> Rotherham section has the lowest use of any part of the tramway? Services heading past Gleadless up to Herdings are still incredibly quiet for at least 90% of off-peak operating hours, as an example.

Both Gleadless to Herdings and Gleadless to Halfway are VERY lightly used at most times of the day but Tinsley to Rotherham by my observations at many times of the day are even quieter than them.
It would appear that any route that has realistic bus alternatives does not do so well.
Rather than admit defeat, it would appear that the local politicians are happy to throw millions of other peoples money at it in the hope it will make it work.
Any transport system will be busy during the rush hour, the test is the loadings outside of that time and on that measure it can not be decreed a success but when will that stop the local politicians?
It would appear that something is going on in the background if Stagecoach are taking this lemon on till the end of the franchise. Bigger payments for the ENCTS passes that should not even be on there maybe?

[TC60054]

Jul 25, 2020 7:52:51 GMT duncan said:

Jul 24, 2020 17:58:49 GMT TC60054 said:

I think when Stagecoach made the announcement that the service would continue until at least the end of the concession in 2024 instead of the end of the two-year DfT funded trial, that kinda gave the impression that it was deemed as a success.

Have you any proof that the Tinsley <> Rotherham section has the lowest use of any part of the tramway? Services heading past Gleadless up to Herdings are still incredibly quiet for at least 90% of off-peak operating hours, as an example.

Both Gleadless to Herdings and Gleadless to Halfway are VERY lightly used at most times of the day but Tinsley to Rotherham by my observations at many times of the day are even quieter than them.
It would appear that any route that has realistic bus alternatives does not do so well.
Rather than admit defeat, it would appear that the local politicians are happy to throw millions of other peoples money at it in the hope it will make it work.
Any transport system will be busy during the rush hour, the test is the loadings outside of that time and on that measure it can not be decreed a success but when will that stop the local politicians?
It would appear that something is going on in the background if Stagecoach are taking this lemon on till the end of the franchise. Bigger payments for the ENCTS passes that should not even be on there maybe?

Would not in any sense of the word call Halfway to Gleadless lightly loaded, even less so in peak times.
Not often up that neck of the woods so don't really see the loadings past Rotherham but Stagecoach obviously seem to think they'd be able to support the service commercially otherwise why would they continue it? In the same way, why should ENCTS pass holders not be on the tram train, after all it is a tram service.

I'm pretty sure that you've always seemed to be against tram train and I'm sure against the tram full stop. This whole drivel you keep coming out with on both fronts is getting incredibly boring.

[swfcforever]

Jul 25, 2020 18:48:45 GMT TC60054 said:

Jul 25, 2020 7:52:51 GMT duncan said:

Both Gleadless to Herdings and Gleadless to Halfway are VERY lightly used at most times of the day but Tinsley to Rotherham by my observations at many times of the day are even quieter than them.
It would appear that any route that has realistic bus alternatives does not do so well.
Rather than admit defeat, it would appear that the local politicians are happy to throw millions of other peoples money at it in the hope it will make it work.
Any transport system will be busy during the rush hour, the test is the loadings outside of that time and on that measure it can not be decreed a success but when will that stop the local politicians?
It would appear that something is going on in the background if Stagecoach are taking this lemon on till the end of the franchise. Bigger payments for the ENCTS passes that should not even be on there maybe?

Would not in any sense of the word call Halfway to Gleadless lightly loaded, even less so in peak times.
Not often up that neck of the woods so don't really see the loadings past Rotherham but Stagecoach obviously seem to think they'd be able to support the service commercially otherwise why would they continue it? In the same way, why should ENCTS pass holders not be on the tram train, after all it is a tram service.

I'm pretty sure that you've always seemed to be against tram train and I'm sure against the tram full stop. This whole drivel you keep coming out with on both fronts is getting incredibly boring.

Beat me too it. Well Halfway to Gleadless is not lightly loaded and neither is Tinsley to Parkgate at some times of the day. Morning peak from Parkgate was a standing load after Rotherham on the 07:30 and 08:00 timings before Covid. Yes other times less busy, but people are using it, no matter how much people are against the tram and want it to fail.

[duncan]

Jul 25, 2020 18:48:45 GMT TC60054 said:

Jul 25, 2020 7:52:51 GMT duncan said:

Both Gleadless to Herdings and Gleadless to Halfway are VERY lightly used at most times of the day but Tinsley to Rotherham by my observations at many times of the day are even quieter than them.
It would appear that any route that has realistic bus alternatives does not do so well.
Rather than admit defeat, it would appear that the local politicians are happy to throw millions of other peoples money at it in the hope it will make it work.
Any transport system will be busy during the rush hour, the test is the loadings outside of that time and on that measure it can not be decreed a success but when will that stop the local politicians?
It would appear that something is going on in the background if Stagecoach are taking this lemon on till the end of the franchise. Bigger payments for the ENCTS passes that should not even be on there maybe?

Would not in any sense of the word call Halfway to Gleadless lightly loaded, even less so in peak times.
Not often up that neck of the woods so don't really see the loadings past Rotherham but Stagecoach obviously seem to think they'd be able to support the service commercially otherwise why would they continue it? In the same way, why should ENCTS pass holders not be on the tram train, after all it is a tram service.

I'm pretty sure that you've always seemed to be against tram train and I'm sure against the tram full stop. This whole drivel you keep coming out with on both fronts is getting incredibly boring.

Stop reading it then. People saying how wonderful the white elephant tram is can also be very boring when they put their blinkers on and can't accept others opinions.
ENCTS passes for your information are for bus use. The use of them on trams is over and above the level set by government.
It is being used as a back door subsidy for a failed system that would lose money without them.

[rothlad]

Another scheme that is been fully funded by SCR and expected to be signed off by officers tomorrow, is the Main Road roundabout scheme at Greasbrough. This is to be replaced with a traffic signal controlled junction, allowing dedicated right turning lanes to increase traffic flow - especially since the Bassingthorpe development will be commencing shortly.