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Post by ady1977 on Sept 20, 2023 18:11:14 GMT
im supprised that chesterfield havent run the new 90 service to creswell after 6pm as there might be late shift workers needing to get to clowne or creswell never mind just during the day time
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Post by teapot42 on Sept 20, 2023 19:05:49 GMT
I wonder how long that 90 will last. Seemingly no slack on the Creswell runs and only 4 minutes on the others. Same timings to the west of Chesterfield as currently, which are often optimistic with how variable Chatsworth Road can be. Never mind the convoluted route around Walton. Saturdays in particular will be a challenge.
They'd have been better running the 90 just to Chesterfield from Creswell and Markham Vale and finding another way to serve Walton, maybe extend the 25.
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Post by ady1977 on Sept 20, 2023 19:19:10 GMT
i suppose time will tell seems a bit confusing having a 90 90a and 90b was looking at the new timetable takes some wotking out..i see the sunday morning service wont start till 10 am
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Post by teapot42 on Sept 21, 2023 7:26:27 GMT
i suppose time will tell seems a bit confusing having a 90 90a and 90b was looking at the new timetable takes some wotking out..i see the sunday morning service wont start till 10 am There is an implication that DCC had agreed to fund earlier morning Sunday services on several routes but have since withdrawn this funding. Saturday first buses from Walton aren't exactly that early either, for anyone working in town they are pretty useless. |
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Post by alemaster on Sept 21, 2023 8:31:01 GMT
i suppose time will tell seems a bit confusing having a 90 90a and 90b was looking at the new timetable takes some wotking out..i see the sunday morning service wont start till 10 am There is an implication that DCC had agreed to fund earlier morning Sunday services on several routes but have since withdrawn this funding. Saturday first buses from Walton aren't exactly that early either, for anyone working in town they are pretty useless. Sounds like DCC are on the verge of bankruptcy and cutting all but essential spending. the BSIP money is ringfenced so safe but anything that comes out of general transport funding is at risk! www.derbyshiretimes.co.uk/news/politics/council/derbyshire-county-council-on-the-edge-of-bankruptcy-due-to-ps46-million-budget-black-hole-4335897 |
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Post by alemaster on Sept 21, 2023 8:36:52 GMT
Good grief 21, (a hospital route) down to every two hours evenings and Sundays 22X Every 2 hours, interesting when the 136 is every 1.5 hours Service 2 linking Sheffield and Barnsley will run evenings and Sundays but infrequently. Does that mean every two hours or less? anyone know? Any news on the 22 Doncaster. I am assuming the 19A Worksop to Rotherham is staying hourly in the evenings and Sundays? Parts of this are not as bad as I feared and others are much worse! Very interesting to see the 22X cut back in the evenings and Sundays. I think it had be hoped that SSY would run one and SYMCA the other. I really does put Sheffield city centre to shame doesn't it? A city that size, a theatre complex that is quite large, and a student population and we can only manage a two hourly evening and Sunday service. People cannot give up their cars with this service provision, it's impossible. I tell you, I shall be annoyed if First start having resource issues. You bid for the work, after leaving passengers in some areas with no service, They'd better run. With regards to the comment about First, its difficult to say until we've also seen their changes - remember all the evening tendered services are being reduced by SYMCA so the new evening routes First have won contracts for may be resource that has been cut elsewhere, therefore not needing any more drivers than now. |
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Post by simonk82701 on Sept 21, 2023 9:17:32 GMT
Good grief 21, (a hospital route) down to every two hours evenings and Sundays 22X Every 2 hours, interesting when the 136 is every 1.5 hours Service 2 linking Sheffield and Barnsley will run evenings and Sundays but infrequently. Does that mean every two hours or less? anyone know? Any news on the 22 Doncaster. I am assuming the 19A Worksop to Rotherham is staying hourly in the evenings and Sundays? Parts of this are not as bad as I feared and others are much worse! Very interesting to see the 22X cut back in the evenings and Sundays. I think it had be hoped that SSY would run one and SYMCA the other. I really does put Sheffield city centre to shame doesn't it? A city that size, a theatre complex that is quite large, and a student population and we can only manage a two hourly evening and Sunday service. People cannot give up their cars with this service provision, it's impossible. I tell you, I shall be annoyed if First start having resource issues. You bid for the work, after leaving passengers in some areas with no service, They'd better run. With regards to the comment about First, its difficult to say until we've also seen their changes - remember all the evening tendered services are being reduced by SYMCA so the new evening routes First have won contracts for may be resource that has been cut elsewhere, therefore not needing any more drivers than now. Very true. There is however a certain irony to that. Stagecoach took on runs in Rotherham that First no longer wanted. Now they are pinching work from Stagecoach in Sheffield, apart from the 88, most other routes like the 52 and 120 are shared with First, Doesn't seem right somehow. If the X1 to Maltby is cut to two hourly, that is appalling. I am sorry until the companies prove otherwise, (which I know won't happen,) I think some runs are receiving subsidy when they should be commercial. I am quite prepared to be proved wrong. Some services now seem busier Sunday, than the same run in the week. It would make me feel better if other operators did what SSY have done, which is to run some service hourly on the basis that SYNCA pay for one service every two hours. There is no excuse for a city the size of Sheffield, and now Doncaster come to that, to have such a poor evening and Sunday network. No wonder people that can drive use their cars. |
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Post by alemaster on Sept 21, 2023 13:53:02 GMT
With regards to the comment about First, its difficult to say until we've also seen their changes - remember all the evening tendered services are being reduced by SYMCA so the new evening routes First have won contracts for may be resource that has been cut elsewhere, therefore not needing any more drivers than now. Very true. There is however a certain irony to that. Stagecoach took on runs in Rotherham that First no longer wanted. Now they are pinching work from Stagecoach in Sheffield, apart from the 88, most other routes like the 52 and 120 are shared with First, Doesn't seem right somehow. If the X1 to Maltby is cut to two hourly, that is appalling. I am sorry until the companies prove otherwise, (which I know won't happen,) I think some runs are receiving subsidy when they should be commercial. I am quite prepared to be proved wrong. Some services now seem busier Sunday, than the same run in the week. It would make me feel better if other operators did what SSY have done, which is to run some service hourly on the basis that SYNCA pay for one service every two hours. There is no excuse for a city the size of Sheffield, and now Doncaster come to that, to have such a poor evening and Sunday network. No wonder people that can drive use their cars. Operators will provide a commercial service where ticket sales are high enough to cover the cost of operation, they won't run empty buses at a loss at times like Sunday night, those sort of services are for SYMCA to fund if they are viewed as necessary. Obviously we've had the added issue recently where First have had to cut down their network to match driver availability and made the decision to remove non standard stuff beyond their core network run commercially, but if there are the fare paying passengers out there hopefully those areas will grow back, possibly with another operator taking the initiative, possibly First doing a little more when they've got more drivers recruited and trained. As for the tendered network, the routes and timetables are specified by SYMCA and then put out for all operators to bid. Some of the work will have seen First and Stagecoach bid, possibly others too, with SYMCA choosing the operator based on whatever criteria they use (such as value for money). Things are bad as far as SYMCA funding goes at the moment - they aren't getting as much from the government and councils as before and the cost of operating buses has skyrocketed (inflation, cost of living crisis and all that), therefore SYMCA cannot afford to buy in as many bus services as they used to. |
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Post by alemaster on Sept 22, 2023 9:14:11 GMT
Rumours of some changes to the proposed tendered services that First have been awarded... anyone heard anything?
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Post by donc on Sept 25, 2023 16:18:56 GMT
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Route: Norton to Doncaster
Service number: 51 (651)
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Post by donc on Sept 26, 2023 15:10:35 GMT
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Route: Sheffield interchange to Harthill, Firvale/Winney Hill/Halfway Tram Stop
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Service type: Normal Stopping
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Route: Plumbley/Harthill to Sheffield/Harthill
Service number: 30 (30A, X30)
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Post by donc on Sept 29, 2023 12:56:11 GMT
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Route: Halfway, Tram Terminus to Fulwood, Barncliffe Road
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Service type: Normal Stopping
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Route: Woodhouse Cross to Bradway via Fishponds
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Route: Woodhouse Station to Wisewood /Loxley
Service number: 52A
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 29 Oct 2023
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Post by alemaster on Sept 29, 2023 20:35:59 GMT
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Post by teapot42 on Sept 30, 2023 8:51:05 GMT
The South Yorkshire changes were actually up yesterday, in place of the Chesterfield ones which were no-where to be found. Unfortunately I didn't save it and the page appears to be set to not saved in history or via the wayback machine. I presume this means they are ready and will be live soon. |
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Post by alemaster on Sept 30, 2023 9:14:45 GMT
The South Yorkshire changes were actually up yesterday, in place of the Chesterfield ones which were no-where to be found. Unfortunately I didn't save it and the page appears to be set to not saved in history or via the wayback machine. I presume this means they are ready and will be live soon. Might not have helped that the Travel South Yorkshire website (and many other SYMCA systems) were down yesterday! |
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