October Service Changes (Read 17,101 times)

[teapot42]

peggy said:

Is the Number 2 not an out of town bus? This terminates on the Moor.

As does the 80, plus the 43/44 terminate at Flat Street rather than the interchange itself.

[crossscythe]

Oct 12, 2023 18:54:19 GMT teapot42 said:

Oct 12, 2023 18:02:55 GMT crossscythe said:

There is a clause from the Traffic Commissioner that all out of town buses must terminate at the Interchange.

Interesting, presumably that's one of the reasons why the X17 is registered as two services. However, I'd guess there is no reason they couldn't use the same mechanism and register a part of say the 43 which extended to the Hallamshire?

I wonder how they've got around this for the 65 though, as that's registered from Tideswell to Meadowhall. And didn't the X2 run through to the Hallamshire?

That said, my question would be why is that clause there? It doesn't seem conducive to services anyone travelling in to a major city would find useful, especially with such a poorly sited interchange.

Running a 43 to the Hallamshire would be a good idea. Perhaps the rules were different for the 65 because it doesn't terminate in the city centre?

I agree, the Interchage is poorly sited, hence why it's unpopular.

[duncan]

Oct 12, 2023 17:42:21 GMT simonk82701 said:

Why on earth has or does the T/c allow all these short notice changes? Does anyone know? I thought operators were supposed to give 45 days notice to allow for objections. No wonder timetable changes are so confused, in correct and shambolic, when the T/C let's it happen. How anyone can hold down an evening or Sunday job unless the drive a car or can walk is totally beyond me. Surly the rule should be, (Unless an emergency tender) 45 days notice and passengers must get 28 days notice, or your not allowed to change it. 

That is easily explained, it is in most cases as a result of negotiations between the Operator and the PTE / SYMCA resulting in a compromise and the ability arising for the provision of the service either by full tender or with support. It can only be done with the support of the PTE / SYMCA
To remove that facility would mean lots of last minute improvements could not take place.

[duncan]

Oct 12, 2023 18:02:55 GMT crossscythe said:

There is a clause from the Traffic Commissioner that all out of town buses must terminate at the Interchange.

Are you sure about that? X1, 2 65 to name a few

[crossscythe]

Oct 12, 2023 20:11:08 GMT duncan said:

Oct 12, 2023 18:02:55 GMT crossscythe said:

There is a clause from the Traffic Commissioner that all out of town buses must terminate at the Interchange.

Are you sure about that? X1, 2 65 to name a few

Yes, I am. See above posts. 

[donc]

If a traffic commissioner has powers to dictate where buses can go then surely the Vale Of Glamorgan wouldn't be having this problem
www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/embarrassing-council-spends-27m-on-bus-hub-with-no-buses/ar-AA1i6VJS

[teapot42]

Oct 12, 2023 20:55:45 GMT donc said:

If a traffic commissioner has powers to dictate where buses can go then surely the Vale Of Glamorgan wouldn't be having this problem
www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/embarrassing-council-spends-27m-on-bus-hub-with-no-buses/ar-AA1i6VJS

There was a similar situation in Hartlepool where most operators avoided the rebuilt Interchange. Not sure if that was resolved as it was a few years back, but it was poorly sited so you can't blame them.

I would be interested to see where it's written down that the TC mandates services terminate at the Interchange in Sheffield however as there are several examples of ones that don't, and no real reason for this.

[teapot42]

Oct 12, 2023 20:12:48 GMT crossscythe said:

Running a 43 to the Hallamshire would be a good idea. Perhaps the rules were different for the 65 because it doesn't terminate in the city centre?

I agree, the Interchage is poorly sited, hence why it's unpopular.

I think there is scope for a 20 minute frequency express bus on the Sheffield to Meadowhead corridor. I'd actually like to see one run via Dunston in Chesterfield to add direct links from more of the town, then at the Sheffield end one could carry on to Barnsley as currently, one could extend to Meadowhall and the other to the Hallamshire. That would far better serve where people in Chesterfield want to go.

I almost wonder if the 43 could be interworked as an extension of the 120 to give better frequency on the west side of town and a direct link towards the south.

Not sure if the plans progressed any further, but I believe the long term intention is to swap the tram route with Sheaf Street which would ineffect free up space in front of the station to maybe allow a better connected interchange to be built. Would still benefit from a second 'bus station' on the other side of town.

[rothlad]

Oct 12, 2023 17:42:21 GMT simonk82701 said:

Oct 12, 2023 13:49:33 GMT donc said:

PB0002307/431 Registered (Short notice)
FIRST SOUTH YORKSHIRE LIMITED
Route: Arundel Gate to Herdings via Heeley, Newfield Green
Service number: 11
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 29 Oct 2023

PB0002307/349 Registered (Short notice)
FIRST SOUTH YORKSHIRE LIMITED
Route: Chapeltown to Cottam Road, High Green, Sheffield
Service number: 1A
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 29 Oct 2023

PB0002307/336 Registered (Short notice)
FIRST SOUTH YORKSHIRE LIMITED
Route: Rotherham to Sheffield
Service number: 73 (74,74A)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 29 Oct 2023

PB0002307/160 Registered (Short notice)
FIRST SOUTH YORKSHIRE LIMITED
Route: Rotherham to Kimberworth Park via Kimberworth Park, Plough Inn
Service number: 139 (140, 141, 142)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 29 Oct 2023

PB0002307/115 Registered (Short notice)
FIRST SOUTH YORKSHIRE LIMITED
Route: Rotherham Interchange to Ravenfield Common/Maltby
Service number: 115 (116)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 29 Oct 2023

PB0002307/475 Registered (Short notice)
FIRST SOUTH YORKSHIRE LIMITED
Route: Arundel Gate, Sheffield to Cross Street, Woodhouse via Woodhouse, Sheffield City Centre, Manor Park Centre
Service number: 25
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 29 Oct 2023

PB0002307/474 Registered (Short notice)
FIRST SOUTH YORKSHIRE LIMITED
Route: Church Road, Barnby Dunn to Vulcan Way, Lindholme
Service number: 84A
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 29 Oct 2023

PB0002307/473 Registered (Short notice)
FIRST SOUTH YORKSHIRE LIMITED
Route: Sheffield Interchange to Rotherham Interchange via Sheffield, Meadowhall, Brinsworth, Meadowhall
Service number: 207
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 29 Oct 2023

PB0002307/472 Registered (Short notice)
FIRST SOUTH YORKSHIRE LIMITED
Route: Arundel Gate, Sheffield to Market Place, Chapletown via Sheffield, Fox Hill
Service number: 86
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 29 Oct 2023

PB0002307/471 Registered (Short notice)
FIRST SOUTH YORKSHIRE LIMITED
Route: Arundel Gate to Cottam Road, High Green, Sheffield via Sheffield, First Park,High Green
Service number: 1
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 29 Oct 2023

PB0002307/470 Registered (Short notice)
FIRST SOUTH YORKSHIRE LIMITED
Route: Arundel Gate, Sheffield to Lound Side, Chapletown
Service number: 83
Service type: Limited Stop
Effective date: 29 Oct 2023

Why on earth has or does the T/c allow all these short notice changes? Does anyone know? I thought operators were supposed to give 45 days notice to allow for objections. No wonder timetable changes are so confused, in correct and shambolic, when the T/C let's it happen. How anyone can hold down an evening or Sunday job unless the drive a car or can walk is totally beyond me. Surly the rule should be, (Unless an emergency tender) 45 days notice and passengers must get 28 days notice, or your not allowed to change it. 

It's undertaken to allow discussions to take place between SYPTE and bus operators to develop proposals and improvements to services. You'll note First and Stagecoach have enhanced the offer with providing every other bus on a commercial basis (66 in Barnsley will be every 4th trip that is funded - to maintain the half-hourly headway). Some recent enhancements that have just recently being agreed are the 1A on Sundays extending through to High Green every 30 minutes - much better than the original proposal of a 2-hrly service.

22 in Doncaster is another example which retains its hourly Sunday service. All positive news for the passenger.

[rothlad]

Oct 12, 2023 18:02:55 GMT crossscythe said:

Oct 12, 2023 16:30:08 GMT teapot42 said:

This isn't about food stalls, it's about eateries in the new development having pavement dining areas, and making the whole area around the Peace Gardens and up to Division Street fully pedestrianised. It's good urban planning, but you are right that bus access might want revisiting a bit.

One other thing to consider is that from some places there aren't buses to that end of Sheffield anyway. For example, from Chesterfield everything goes straight to the Interchange and if you want anything towards Division Street or the Uni then you need to change.

There is a clause from the Traffic Commissioner that all out of town buses must terminate at the Interchange.

That hasn't been in place for the last decade, if not longer. There was a similar clause for Barnsley Road services which turned before Norwood Road. These had to run via Castlegate and not via Waingate.

The only stipulation in SY now, is 26 buses PH along Rawmarsh Hill for the CAZ. Unsure if this will change once the 23x Yutong Electrics arrive between January and March.

[bususer]

Sept 1, 2023 11:26:08 GMT alemaster said:

Aug 30, 2023 19:19:20 GMT crossscythe said:

I saw a South Pennine bus at the interchange displaying "81 Dore" earlier...I wonder what all that was about. 😳

Probably the 181 to Dore via Ringinglow which South Pennine took over in July www.travelsouthyorkshire.com/en-gb/timetabledetails/a3014bc1-91b7-4fb6-a9e0-29664fbc6784

It's the number of hours it takes to get there.

[ady1977]

when the service changes happen tomorrow will the new 90b service be displaying markham vale and the then the 90 to creswell from monday

[teapot42]

The changes to the 90 didn't go off very well with the first departure from Yew Tree not running (appears to have started from Brampton) and the next one running early. Anyone using the bus to get to work would now be an hour late due to the revised frequency, not just 30 minutes.

Stagecoach Chesterfield also seem to be having some issues with buses, there was an old Solo on the 90, since replaced by an E200, and 11125 has broken down at least three times in the last week, on Thursday she failed in the middle of the evening rush hour on Bramall Lane, causing knock-on delays across much of Sheffield with a major route out of town being blocked.

I hope I'm wrong when I say it looks like they've taken on more than they can resource, at least currently. Breakdowns are always going to happen, but not having spares to cover seems to be a problem over the last year or so.