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Post by ryansf on Mar 27, 2011 19:36:05 GMT
Regarding ticketing, you'd hope that integrated ticketing will be on offer, i.e. normal dayriders being accepted on the tram-train, and singles being the same price. It would make sense if tickets were issued in exactly the same way as Supertram, as I doubt rail connectivity at Rotherham would be taken into account (given that it is none existent!).
To be honest, I don't understand why Northern is operating them in the first place. Surely it would make for sense for Stagecoach to run them?
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Post by 53brown on Mar 27, 2011 19:43:00 GMT
Maybe its down to the fact that Northern are actually going to be purchasing the five vehicles, even though they only have a few years left of their contract? Funny that really as Stagecoach will not pay for the 4 additional trams that the PTE are asking the DfT for, even though they still have 13 years left on their contract for the Supertram... ;D
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Post by foxydebs on Mar 27, 2011 21:18:38 GMT
I can't see it being integrated ticketing to be honest as supertram and northern rail are two completly different companies. That would be like trying to use a stagecoach dayrider on a first bus.
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Post by swfcforever on Mar 27, 2011 23:33:25 GMT
I agree with you debs, but its got to have integrate ticketing for it to work and to attract passengers, cos otherwise it will get really confusing, even worse than at the moment with people thinking the tram is a first bus, train etc
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Post by foxydebs on Mar 28, 2011 10:44:20 GMT
I agree with you debs, but its got to have integrate ticketing for it to work and to attract passengers, cos otherwise it will get really confusing, even worse than at the moment with people thinking the tram is a first bus, train etc Very true, I think it should have integrated ticketing but I can't see it happening. |
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Post by alexander on Mar 28, 2011 12:22:43 GMT
I understand the vehicles will be operated by Supertram on behalf of Northern and of course they will have to be maintained at Nunnery , the budget won"t allow for new facilities to be built
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Post by swfcforever on Mar 29, 2011 10:58:47 GMT
how many will be purchased? This is due to Nunnery only having limited space left.
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Post by alexander on Mar 29, 2011 14:05:04 GMT
5
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Post by swfcforever on Mar 29, 2011 23:41:22 GMT
tight then
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Post by foxydebs on Mar 30, 2011 18:41:03 GMT
I think it would be do able but like you say tight. |
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Post by lysander on Mar 31, 2011 12:14:53 GMT
Trams also run on some sections of heavy rail at Manchester.....but, as I understand matters, tram-trains will share part of the proposed route with mainline trains!....Hence the need for further investigation. Stocksbridge is also asking to be included .
I tend to agree with cygnetbus....a Government "commitment" to any scheme is not necessarily so....especially when public finance is tight! A pity so little of the £trillions floating around in private hands stays firmly in their pockets when investment in public transport is needed.***....I suppose it doesn't make a fast enough return. Supertram would never have been built without the taxpayer and, arguably, private shareholding is the beneficiary.
*** I expect all the Bus enthusiasts will point out the investment First and Stagecoach make....but depreciation on these can be written off against profits....Would electrification and trackwork be treated similarly? Bus companies pay road tax but don't build roads or maintain them do they...unlike the tram (and rail companies who pay Networkrail....a not for profit Government organisation!) It could be argued that the private motorist is subsidising the bus companies ,....who are already in receipt of £2.48billion per annum in subsidy ( according to Campaign for Better Transport)
Electrification and the acquisition of a few vehicles wouldn't take 3 years... but the "further investigation" is not a good sign if we are to see it up and running in the timescale suggested.
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Post by thrybergh on Mar 31, 2011 22:41:24 GMT
how many will be purchased? This is due to Nunnery only having limited space left. Well surely they must have enough space, if they want to receive 4 additional trams, there are only 5 tram-trains due - so shouldn't make too much of a difference surely? |
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Post by mick on Apr 1, 2011 13:54:08 GMT
And what's to happen once the 3 year trial is over? Are they to be replaced with conventional trams or will the infrastructure just remain in place, but not be used?
I did hear a while back that the original Supertram extensions were dropped due to the tram-trains trial which would see the Supertram extensions through to Parkgate going ahead, and SYPTE still get their way with the new dual-carriageway beneath the Tinsley Viaduct thanks to the BRT scheme between Sheffield and Rotherham.
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Post by scottywotty on Apr 1, 2011 14:53:53 GMT
Well whilst its not the news that I was expecting, about the scheme now fully going ahead and work been able to start, its still a positive step forward and at least the scheme is progressing ahead in the right direction.
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Post by 53brown on Apr 13, 2011 19:00:36 GMT
I understand the vehicles will be operated by Supertram on behalf of Northern and of course they will have to be maintained at Nunnery , the budget won"t allow for new facilities to be built Interesting to hear that then. So will it be Supertram ticket available on this route, or Network Rail tickets - or both!?! |
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