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Post by dougie on Apr 26, 2024 12:57:07 GMT
Not just a rumour then re First 120. Interesting. I don't think First have ever ran a cross city service that ends in a different county before Didn’t the 95 go to Killamarsh at one stage? There’s been a few over the years but possibly Mainline rather than First, e.g. the 143 from Wincobank/ Meadowhall to Holmsfield, the X26/X56 from the Hallamshire to Killamarsh/ Harthill etc I've often wondered if some 272 journeys could be extended to Edale, at key times. The driver could still use the toilet facilities at Castleton given the good padding in the layover there. It’s already a time drag going to/from Castleton on the Bradwell journeys so I don’t know how you’d fit Edale in without a lot of time consuming double running |
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Post by ady1977 on Apr 26, 2024 13:16:04 GMT
why dont first come up with something to chesterfield they used to run services to chesterfield many years ago
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Post by littlenipper on Apr 26, 2024 13:21:01 GMT
why dont first come up with something to chesterfield they used to run services to chesterfield many years ago Why would first want to do that when stagecoach run plenty services to Chesterfield. |
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Post by 37175 on Apr 26, 2024 13:27:09 GMT
I've often wondered if some 272 journeys could be extended to Edale, at key times. The driver could still use the toilet facilities at Castleton given the good padding in the layover there. Just a thought. Long time lurker, you would have difficulty going to Edale without a smaller vehicle. As far as I am aware the rail replacement vehicles are mini buses from hope given height restrictions. You could extend towards the turning circle near Blue John mine, but as others have said you are going further out to come straight back. I can imagine the majority of the customers are happy with Castleton |
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Post by ady1977 on Apr 26, 2024 13:48:00 GMT
well stagecoach run plenty of services in sheffield along with tm travel
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Post by teapot42 on Apr 26, 2024 18:02:23 GMT
Why would first want to do that when stagecoach run plenty services to Chesterfield. No reason not to compete if they can offer something genuinely different. We have limited services to Crystal Peaks for example, not sure if they will return once the 80 goes. As mentioned in another thread, a service from Chesterfield to Meadowhall via the Peaks and Boundary Mill could be popular with the pensioners who need somewhere to shop to pass their time.
I believe Stagecoach managed to run their Hope Valley services with a E200 in the final year. They had used Solos initially but did some tests and were able to get an E200 around the bend at the top of Mam Tor. I'd imagine an E400 would be just as able to make it down there as the wheelbase can't be too different. Not sure if that wouldn't be better as a stand-alone service though. At the time of year there would be demand there is also so much traffic it would be a nightmare to run to time. |
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Post by The Captain on Apr 26, 2024 18:05:59 GMT
why dont first come up with something to chesterfield they used to run services to chesterfield many years ago For the reason they pulled out in the first place, staffing and vehicles. First is a main corridor operator as well and generally will stay away from rural work. |
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Post by The Captain on Apr 26, 2024 18:10:30 GMT
Why would first want to do that when stagecoach run plenty services to Chesterfield. No reason not to compete if they can offer something genuinely different. We have limited services to Crystal Peaks for example, not sure if they will return once the 80 goes. As mentioned in another thread, a service from Chesterfield to Meadowhall via the Peaks and Boundary Mill could be popular with the pensioners who need somewhere to shop to pass their time.
I believe Stagecoach managed to run their Hope Valley services with a E200 in the final year. They had used Solos initially but did some tests and were able to get an E200 around the bend at the top of Mam Tor. I'd imagine an E400 would be just as able to make it down there as the wheelbase can't be too different. Not sure if that wouldn't be better as a stand-alone service though. At the time of year there would be demand there is also so much traffic it would be a nightmare to run to time. You can get a E200 anywhere a Solo can, your E400s are wider. |
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Post by dougie on Apr 26, 2024 21:08:56 GMT
I've often wondered if some 272 journeys could be extended to Edale, at key times. The driver could still use the toilet facilities at Castleton given the good padding in the layover there. Just a thought. Long time lurker, you would have difficulty going to Edale without a smaller vehicle. As far as I am aware the rail replacement vehicles are mini buses from hope given height restrictions. You could extend towards the turning circle near Blue John mine, but as others have said you are going further out to come straight back. I can imagine the majority of the customers are happy with Castleton Welcome to the Forum I agree with your points there about the logistics. I think that the bus will always struggle to compete with the hourly train for Sheffield city centre - Edale journeys, buses are better focused on the corridors where they are more effective |
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Post by teapot42 on Apr 27, 2024 14:49:28 GMT
You can get a E200 anywhere a Solo can, your E400s are wider. I'd suspect there are a few exceptions. From memory they were concerned about the front grounding out on an awkward sharp rising / falling corner. Conversely, I've read elsewhere that as (some) Solos have a longer wheelbase than (some) E200s they can actually be harder to get down some routes.
I have a feeling the Matlock to Chatsworth services are an exception - they are always a Solo and I believe an E200 can't get over the hump back bridge near the garden centre. What they are going to do when their already fairly elderly Solos finally reach the end of the road I'm not sure.
Wasn't aware the E400 was wider to be honest, I'd actually assumed they were pretty much just an E200 with a second story.
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Post by teapot42 on Apr 27, 2024 14:52:50 GMT
I think that the bus will always struggle to compete with the hourly train for Sheffield city centre - Edale journeys, buses are better focused on the corridors where they are more effective I wonder if there would be scope however for Hulleys to extend the 173. From Sheffield the train might be better, but from Chesterfield / Bakewell the options pretty much aren't there. It would mean major changes to the timetable as it could no longer be a single bus route as it would go beyond a 2 hour round trip, but something like merging it with the 172 might work. |
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Post by meld on Apr 27, 2024 16:57:33 GMT
why dont first come up with something to chesterfield they used to run services to chesterfield many years ago IIRC years ago Sheffield Chesterfield was a joint operation between Sheffield Corporation & Chesterfield Corporation, I can't remember when it became a solo operator, maybe someone could refresh my memory on that one |
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Post by sheflad on May 1, 2024 15:16:00 GMT
Why would first want to do that when stagecoach run plenty services to Chesterfield. No reason not to compete if they can offer something genuinely different. We have limited services to Crystal Peaks for example, not sure if they will return once the 80 goes. As mentioned in another thread, a service from Chesterfield to Meadowhall via the Peaks and Boundary Mill could be popular with the pensioners who need somewhere to shop to pass their time.
Probably for the same reason as they withdrew the similar service years ago which ran Chesterfield-Meadowhall via peaks, Handsworth and Greenland Road no trade. |
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Post by duncan on May 1, 2024 15:25:41 GMT
As mentioned in another thread, a service from Chesterfield to Meadowhall via the Peaks and Boundary Mill could be popular with the pensioners who need somewhere to shop to pass their time. It has been pointed out on several occasions that due to the pathetic re-imbursment bus companies get for carrying pensioners (i.e. a full bus of pensioners would run at a loss) they are not a target passenger base. |
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Post by donc on May 2, 2024 20:08:41 GMT
Changes on 13 May (mainly First services in Doncaster) to iron out errors in April changes. eg Armthorpe on a Sunday instead of 381 and 382 running at same time at 8.46am this has been changed to give them a 30 minute gap. Also changes to some services in Sheffield. www.travelsouthyorkshire.com/en-gb/newsupdates/service-changes |
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