October Service Changes (Read 17,166 times)

[crossscythe]

Oct 8, 2023 16:48:22 GMT littlenipper said:

Oct 8, 2023 16:38:52 GMT crossscythe said:

Whilst that may cause a small delay, I don't see how it can cause a delay to this extent. I assume they closed Arundel Gate off, which the 57 doesn't run along anyway!

Angel Street was blocked off plus other roads were unofficially blocked off.


Outrageous that they inconvenience so many people for a few cyclists. It's not like Sheffield is short of parks where they could ride their bikes. 

[crossscythe]

Oct 8, 2023 16:49:44 GMT The Captain said:

Oct 8, 2023 16:38:52 GMT crossscythe said:

Whilst that may cause a small delay, I don't see how it can cause a delay to this extent. I assume they closed Arundel Gate off, which the 57 doesn't run along anyway!

It affected Carver St, Furnival Gate, Arundal Gate, The Wicker and Sheaf St.
Lots of late running and some cancellations by both First and Stagecoach.

It's a mystery to me why the council are keeping Leopold street locked off and forcing buses to go back on themselves on Division Street. I am told it causes problems with the night time drinkers, safety concerns resulting in diversions. 

[humberside]

Oct 7, 2023 11:59:03 GMT humberside said:

Travel South Yorkshire have significantly messed up the new Saturday 399 timetable, showing just the two new journeys to Doncaster, but only between Scunthorpe and Haxey! The Haxey to Doncaster section (i.e. the bit that actually operates in South Yorkshire) is omitted, as are the Scunthorpe to Westwoodside 'shorts'

If anyone wants the actual new Saturday 399 timetable, it's on the Stagecoach website

Pleased to report this has changed today. A 'quick fix' has been done by putting the Stagecoach pdf on the Travel South Yorkshire website

[teapot42]

Oct 8, 2023 16:54:08 GMT crossscythe said:

It's a mystery to me why the council are keeping Leopold street locked off and forcing buses to go back on themselves on Division Street. I am told it causes problems with the night time drinkers, safety concerns resulting in diversions. 

Isn't the plan that Pinstone Street will be closed permanently, so they can't use Leopold Street any more? I thought I'd read that Rockingham Street was going to be made one way towards the Moor which should give a solution that allows Division Street to be permanently closed to traffic. Not sure if they are going to make Westfield Terrace one way the other way so the 10 and 257 can have a more direct route than having to go around Waitrose roundabout and back on themselves to get up Fitzwilliam Street.

[crossscythe]

Oct 9, 2023 18:30:21 GMT teapot42 said:

Oct 8, 2023 16:54:08 GMT crossscythe said:

It's a mystery to me why the council are keeping Leopold street locked off and forcing buses to go back on themselves on Division Street. I am told it causes problems with the night time drinkers, safety concerns resulting in diversions. 

Isn't the plan that Pinstone Street will be closed permanently, so they can't use Leopold Street any more? I thought I'd read that Rockingham Street was going to be made one way towards the Moor which should give a solution that allows Division Street to be permanently closed to traffic. Not sure if they are going to make Westfield Terrace one way the other way so the 10 and 257 can have a more direct route than having to go around Waitrose roundabout and back on themselves to get up Fitzwilliam Street.

But WHY do they want to close Pinstone Street/Leopold Street? 

[teapot42]

Oct 9, 2023 19:42:55 GMT crossscythe said:

But WHY do they want to close Pinstone Street/Leopold Street? 

I believe it's all part of the Heart of the City development. The idea seems to be that food businesses in the new development will be able to 'spill out' on to the street, and closing the road allows that while keeping plenty of space for pedestrians. To be honest, I'm not too adverse to the idea - it's common elsewhere and can work well.

[crossscythe]

Oct 10, 2023 7:07:41 GMT teapot42 said:

Oct 9, 2023 19:42:55 GMT crossscythe said:

But WHY do they want to close Pinstone Street/Leopold Street? 

I believe it's all part of the Heart of the City development. The idea seems to be that food businesses in the new development will be able to 'spill out' on to the street, and closing the road allows that while keeping plenty of space for pedestrians. To be honest, I'm not too adverse to the idea - it's common elsewhere and can work well.

They can have food stalls on Fargate and on the space at the front of the Peace Gardens. Or even at Barker's Pool. Closing the main access road through the city centre will rip even more 'heart' out of the city. For example, the 51 going towards Charnock doesn't go anywhere near Leopold Street now. No point in having food stalls if people can't get to them. It's not the bus companies' fault, it's Sheffield council.

[donc]

South Yorkshire Mayor is not happy about the Doncaster bus service cuts he is so upset he is going to have a meeting in the village of Norton, if anyone wants to go and say how they feel or you can also go to ones in Stainforth, Hexthorpe or The Cast theatre on November 20

www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/news/people/angry-south-yorkshire-mayor-to-hold-public-meetings-over-doncaster-bus-cuts-4368259

[donc]

PB0002307/431 Registered (Short notice)
FIRST SOUTH YORKSHIRE LIMITED
Route: Arundel Gate to Herdings via Heeley, Newfield Green
Service number: 11
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 29 Oct 2023

PB0002307/349 Registered (Short notice)
FIRST SOUTH YORKSHIRE LIMITED
Route: Chapeltown to Cottam Road, High Green, Sheffield
Service number: 1A
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 29 Oct 2023

PB0002307/336 Registered (Short notice)
FIRST SOUTH YORKSHIRE LIMITED
Route: Rotherham to Sheffield
Service number: 73 (74,74A)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 29 Oct 2023

PB0002307/160 Registered (Short notice)
FIRST SOUTH YORKSHIRE LIMITED
Route: Rotherham to Kimberworth Park via Kimberworth Park, Plough Inn
Service number: 139 (140, 141, 142)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 29 Oct 2023

PB0002307/115 Registered (Short notice)
FIRST SOUTH YORKSHIRE LIMITED
Route: Rotherham Interchange to Ravenfield Common/Maltby
Service number: 115 (116)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 29 Oct 2023

PB0002307/475 Registered (Short notice)
FIRST SOUTH YORKSHIRE LIMITED
Route: Arundel Gate, Sheffield to Cross Street, Woodhouse via Woodhouse, Sheffield City Centre, Manor Park Centre
Service number: 25
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 29 Oct 2023

PB0002307/474 Registered (Short notice)
FIRST SOUTH YORKSHIRE LIMITED
Route: Church Road, Barnby Dunn to Vulcan Way, Lindholme
Service number: 84A
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 29 Oct 2023

PB0002307/473 Registered (Short notice)
FIRST SOUTH YORKSHIRE LIMITED
Route: Sheffield Interchange to Rotherham Interchange via Sheffield, Meadowhall, Brinsworth, Meadowhall
Service number: 207
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 29 Oct 2023

PB0002307/472 Registered (Short notice)
FIRST SOUTH YORKSHIRE LIMITED
Route: Arundel Gate, Sheffield to Market Place, Chapletown via Sheffield, Fox Hill
Service number: 86
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 29 Oct 2023

PB0002307/471 Registered (Short notice)
FIRST SOUTH YORKSHIRE LIMITED
Route: Arundel Gate to Cottam Road, High Green, Sheffield via Sheffield, First Park,High Green
Service number: 1
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 29 Oct 2023

PB0002307/470 Registered (Short notice)
FIRST SOUTH YORKSHIRE LIMITED
Route: Arundel Gate, Sheffield to Lound Side, Chapletown
Service number: 83
Service type: Limited Stop
Effective date: 29 Oct 2023

[teapot42]

Oct 11, 2023 13:13:18 GMT crossscythe said:

Oct 10, 2023 7:07:41 GMT teapot42 said:

I believe it's all part of the Heart of the City development. The idea seems to be that food businesses in the new development will be able to 'spill out' on to the street, and closing the road allows that while keeping plenty of space for pedestrians. To be honest, I'm not too adverse to the idea - it's common elsewhere and can work well.

They can have food stalls on Fargate and on the space at the front of the Peace Gardens. Or even at Barker's Pool. Closing the main access road through the city centre will rip even more 'heart' out of the city. For example, the 51 going towards Charnock doesn't go anywhere near Leopold Street now. No point in having food stalls if people can't get to them. It's not the bus companies' fault, it's Sheffield council.

This isn't about food stalls, it's about eateries in the new development having pavement dining areas, and making the whole area around the Peace Gardens and up to Division Street fully pedestrianised. It's good urban planning, but you are right that bus access might want revisiting a bit.

One other thing to consider is that from some places there aren't buses to that end of Sheffield anyway. For example, from Chesterfield everything goes straight to the Interchange and if you want anything towards Division Street or the Uni then you need to change.

[simonk82701]

Oct 12, 2023 13:49:33 GMT donc said:

PB0002307/431 Registered (Short notice)
FIRST SOUTH YORKSHIRE LIMITED
Route: Arundel Gate to Herdings via Heeley, Newfield Green
Service number: 11
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 29 Oct 2023

PB0002307/349 Registered (Short notice)
FIRST SOUTH YORKSHIRE LIMITED
Route: Chapeltown to Cottam Road, High Green, Sheffield
Service number: 1A
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 29 Oct 2023

PB0002307/336 Registered (Short notice)
FIRST SOUTH YORKSHIRE LIMITED
Route: Rotherham to Sheffield
Service number: 73 (74,74A)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 29 Oct 2023

PB0002307/160 Registered (Short notice)
FIRST SOUTH YORKSHIRE LIMITED
Route: Rotherham to Kimberworth Park via Kimberworth Park, Plough Inn
Service number: 139 (140, 141, 142)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 29 Oct 2023

PB0002307/115 Registered (Short notice)
FIRST SOUTH YORKSHIRE LIMITED
Route: Rotherham Interchange to Ravenfield Common/Maltby
Service number: 115 (116)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 29 Oct 2023

PB0002307/475 Registered (Short notice)
FIRST SOUTH YORKSHIRE LIMITED
Route: Arundel Gate, Sheffield to Cross Street, Woodhouse via Woodhouse, Sheffield City Centre, Manor Park Centre
Service number: 25
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 29 Oct 2023

PB0002307/474 Registered (Short notice)
FIRST SOUTH YORKSHIRE LIMITED
Route: Church Road, Barnby Dunn to Vulcan Way, Lindholme
Service number: 84A
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 29 Oct 2023

PB0002307/473 Registered (Short notice)
FIRST SOUTH YORKSHIRE LIMITED
Route: Sheffield Interchange to Rotherham Interchange via Sheffield, Meadowhall, Brinsworth, Meadowhall
Service number: 207
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 29 Oct 2023

PB0002307/472 Registered (Short notice)
FIRST SOUTH YORKSHIRE LIMITED
Route: Arundel Gate, Sheffield to Market Place, Chapletown via Sheffield, Fox Hill
Service number: 86
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 29 Oct 2023

PB0002307/471 Registered (Short notice)
FIRST SOUTH YORKSHIRE LIMITED
Route: Arundel Gate to Cottam Road, High Green, Sheffield via Sheffield, First Park,High Green
Service number: 1
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 29 Oct 2023

PB0002307/470 Registered (Short notice)
FIRST SOUTH YORKSHIRE LIMITED
Route: Arundel Gate, Sheffield to Lound Side, Chapletown
Service number: 83
Service type: Limited Stop
Effective date: 29 Oct 2023

Why on earth has or does the T/c allow all these short notice changes? Does anyone know? I thought operators were supposed to give 45 days notice to allow for objections. No wonder timetable changes are so confused, in correct and shambolic, when the T/C let's it happen. How anyone can hold down an evening or Sunday job unless the drive a car or can walk is totally beyond me. Surly the rule should be, (Unless an emergency tender) 45 days notice and passengers must get 28 days notice, or your not allowed to change it. 

[crossscythe]

Oct 12, 2023 16:30:08 GMT teapot42 said:

Oct 11, 2023 13:13:18 GMT crossscythe said:

They can have food stalls on Fargate and on the space at the front of the Peace Gardens. Or even at Barker's Pool. Closing the main access road through the city centre will rip even more 'heart' out of the city. For example, the 51 going towards Charnock doesn't go anywhere near Leopold Street now. No point in having food stalls if people can't get to them. It's not the bus companies' fault, it's Sheffield council.

This isn't about food stalls, it's about eateries in the new development having pavement dining areas, and making the whole area around the Peace Gardens and up to Division Street fully pedestrianised. It's good urban planning, but you are right that bus access might want revisiting a bit.

One other thing to consider is that from some places there aren't buses to that end of Sheffield anyway. For example, from Chesterfield everything goes straight to the Interchange and if you want anything towards Division Street or the Uni then you need to change.

There is a clause from the Traffic Commissioner that all out of town buses must terminate at the Interchange.

[teapot42]

Oct 12, 2023 17:42:21 GMT simonk82701 said:

Why on earth has or does the T/c allow all these short notice changes? Does anyone know? I thought operators were supposed to give 45 days notice to allow for objections. No wonder timetable changes are so confused, in correct and shambolic, when the T/C let's it happen. How anyone can hold down an evening or Sunday job unless the drive a car or can walk is totally beyond me. Surly the rule should be, (Unless an emergency tender) 45 days notice and passengers must get 28 days notice, or your not allowed to change it. 

Does it actually make any difference? I was told by the traffic commissioners office that the public can't object anyway and that they in effect just sign off anything the local authority accepts.

Strikes me it really needs more communication at LA level before the changes are passed to the TC. With the current system pax only get to find out when the LA publicises it, or more often when the local rag picks up that changes have been made and prints a photo of some outraged passengers complaining about it.

[peggy]

Oct 12, 2023 18:02:55 GMT crossscythe said:

Oct 12, 2023 16:30:08 GMT teapot42 said:

This isn't about food stalls, it's about eateries in the new development having pavement dining areas, and making the whole area around the Peace Gardens and up to Division Street fully pedestrianised. It's good urban planning, but you are right that bus access might want revisiting a bit.

One other thing to consider is that from some places there aren't buses to that end of Sheffield anyway. For example, from Chesterfield everything goes straight to the Interchange and if you want anything towards Division Street or the Uni then you need to change.

There is a clause from the Traffic Commissioner that all out of town buses must terminate at the Interchange.

Is the Number 2 not an out of town bus? This terminates on the Moor.

[teapot42]

Oct 12, 2023 18:02:55 GMT crossscythe said:

There is a clause from the Traffic Commissioner that all out of town buses must terminate at the Interchange.

Interesting, presumably that's one of the reasons why the X17 is registered as two services. However, I'd guess there is no reason they couldn't use the same mechanism and register a part of say the 43 which extended to the Hallamshire?

I wonder how they've got around this for the 65 though, as that's registered from Tideswell to Meadowhall. And didn't the X2 run through to the Hallamshire?

That said, my question would be why is that clause there? It doesn't seem conducive to services anyone travelling in to a major city would find useful, especially with such a poorly sited interchange.