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Post by simonk82701 on Jan 21, 2024 9:24:39 GMT
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Post by crossscythe on Jan 21, 2024 10:13:55 GMT
Hulley's are a great company. The drivers are usually great, courteous, polite, welcoming and helpful. They've invested heavily in new buses. They've also dipped their toe in the pond and introduced new routes where other operators haven't bothered for years. They ought to get themselves on Ensign and snap up some of FSY's former Streetlites. These could replace the Enviro 200s which are no longer being produced and as such finding parts for would be more difficult. I hope they pull through and do well. Next to Stagecoach East Midlands, Hulley's is the longest serving operator in Sheffield now.
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Post by The Captain on Jan 21, 2024 12:04:31 GMT
Hulley's are a great company. The drivers are usually great, courteous, polite, welcoming and helpful. They've invested heavily in new buses. They've also dipped their toe in the pond and introduced new routes where other operators haven't bothered for years. They ought to get themselves on Ensign and snap up some of FSY's former Streetlites. These could replace the Enviro 200s which are no longer being produced and as such finding parts for would be more difficult. I hope they pull through and do well. Next to Stagecoach East Midlands, Hulley's is the longest serving operator in Sheffield now. So many issues here... They had a Streetlite. E200 parts are abundant, so abundant the Cummins powered Streetlites use some of them. Hulleys bought a Bus and Coach leasing company in Kent not long back, most of the vehicles they are running now are from said firm, most of their own fleet is VOR. STEG one of the longest serving operators in Sheffield?? What happened to STY then? the linage goes back to Yorkshire Traction 100 years ago or 1988 in Sheffield with Terrier, Firsts linage goes back to SYT, SYPTE, Sheffield Transport-again well over 100 years. |
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Post by crossscythe on Jan 21, 2024 13:23:35 GMT
Hulley's are a great company. The drivers are usually great, courteous, polite, welcoming and helpful. They've invested heavily in new buses. They've also dipped their toe in the pond and introduced new routes where other operators haven't bothered for years. They ought to get themselves on Ensign and snap up some of FSY's former Streetlites. These could replace the Enviro 200s which are no longer being produced and as such finding parts for would be more difficult. I hope they pull through and do well. Next to Stagecoach East Midlands, Hulley's is the longest serving operator in Sheffield now. So many issues here... They had a Streetlite. E200 parts are abundant, so abundant the Cummins powered Streetlites use some of them. Hulleys bought a Bus and Coach leasing company in Kent not long back, most of the vehicles they are running now are from said firm, most of their own fleet is VOR. STEG one of the longest serving operators in Sheffield?? What happened to STY then? the linage goes back to Yorkshire Traction 100 years ago or 1988 in Sheffield with Terrier, Firsts linage goes back to SYT, SYPTE, Sheffield Transport-again well over 100 years. Stagecoach Yorkshire has only been around since late 2005. They still use Yorkshire Traction legals but they trade as Stagecoach and are run as a Stagecoach company. Stagecoach East Midland have been operating in Sheffield since at least the 1990s. They used to run the 273/274 through Broomhill and out to Castleton. |
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Post by The Captain on Jan 21, 2024 14:29:18 GMT
So many issues here... They had a Streetlite. E200 parts are abundant, so abundant the Cummins powered Streetlites use some of them. Hulleys bought a Bus and Coach leasing company in Kent not long back, most of the vehicles they are running now are from said firm, most of their own fleet is VOR. STEG one of the longest serving operators in Sheffield?? What happened to STY then? the linage goes back to Yorkshire Traction 100 years ago or 1988 in Sheffield with Terrier, Firsts linage goes back to SYT, SYPTE, Sheffield Transport-again well over 100 years. Stagecoach Yorkshire has only been around since late 2005. They still use Yorkshire Traction legals but they trade as Stagecoach and are run as a Stagecoach company. Stagecoach East Midland have been operating in Sheffield since at least the 1990s. They used to run the 273/274 through Broomhill and out to Castleton. I think I'm just going to retire. |
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Post by dougie on Jan 21, 2024 20:20:30 GMT
Stagecoach bought East Midlands Motor Services in 1989
EMMS traditionally ran into Sheffield on the Eckington corridor (as today with the 50/53) but also the Worksop - Sheffield X85 and I think an express from Nottingham - Mansfield - Chesterfield - Sheffield (X1/X2? Certainly this was the hourly X2 in Stagecoach days)
Was the X24/X25 (Doncaster - Bawtry- Maltby - Sheffield) EMMS or SYT?
But in the early days of deregulation EMMS won a few tenders around Sheffield, like the 61 to Bradfield, they were quite keen to expand (there was an EMMS operation in Tameside, Greater Manchester, but I don’t know the history of that)
Later, with the acquisition of Chesterfield Transport they had more of a presence in Sheffield
(There were long running EMMS services into Rotherham and Doncaster too, of course)
re Hullys, they seen in a bind, driver recruitment/retention sticks out like a sore thumb on infrequent routes, Councils have less and less to spend on subsidies, they’ve tried expanding like the X57 to Manchester to make up for it but that didn’t work
At least TM are part of TrentBarton which protects them a little better
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Post by overground on Jan 21, 2024 21:07:50 GMT
It’s not just small companies or small garages who struggle due to lack of parts!
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Post by duncan on Jan 21, 2024 22:01:26 GMT
Next to Stagecoach East Midlands, Hulley's is the longest serving operator in Sheffield now. Really? I think you really need to check your history. Hulleys have risen from the ashes on so many occasions that I have lost count. Each time it has been a new company using the established Hulleys name. Silver Service was for a while the name of choice because peoples memories were not short enough to forget the mess the previous incarnation had been. Hulleys is the PCV industry equivalent of Triggers broom. (If you dont get that just google it). |
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Post by kayden11 on Jan 21, 2024 22:17:14 GMT
There was also whites of calver, which is now stagecoach chesterfield, but talking if eyms in South yorkshire, they also had.m49 and m50 firth Park circles if my memory serves me rightly
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Post by littlenipper on Jan 22, 2024 5:03:23 GMT
Stagecoach bought East Midlands Motor Services in 1989 EMMS traditionally ran into Sheffield on the Eckington corridor (as today with the 50/53) but also the Worksop - Sheffield X85 and I think an express from Nottingham - Mansfield - Chesterfield - Sheffield (X1/X2? Certainly this was the hourly X2 in Stagecoach days) Was the X24/X25 (Doncaster - Bawtry- Maltby - Sheffield) EMMS or SYT? But in the early days of deregulation EMMS won a few tenders around Sheffield, like the 61 to Bradfield, they were quite keen to expand (there was an EMMS operation in Tameside, Greater Manchester, but I don’t know the history of that) Later, with the acquisition of Chesterfield Transport they had more of a presence in Sheffield (There were long running EMMS services into Rotherham and Doncaster too, of course) re Hullys, they seen in a bind, driver recruitment/retention sticks out like a sore thumb on infrequent routes, Councils have less and less to spend on subsidies, they’ve tried expanding like the X57 to Manchester to make up for it but that didn’t work At least TM are part of TrentBarton which protects them a little better X24/x25 were joint syt/em services. Here's a list of known tenders EM ran from 1986 not a complete list as not finished it yet. Few Tenders run by east Midland in Sheffield from 1986 5 sheffield strines circle 30/04/89 summer service only. 30 sheffield mosborough 23/07/90.w/d 24/03/91 34 Firth park Sheffield 03/09/90 evening trips replacing sut.w/d 23/02/91 39 Sheffield wincobank 03/09/90 same as 34.w/d 23/02/91 and replaced under contract by east Midland as a 434. 44 Sheffield greasborough 03/09/90 2 evening trips replacing sut.w/d 30/03/91. 57 sheffield stocksbridge 1 return journey for schools started 14/09/87 finished 29/07/88 replaced by Chesterfield transport. 61 sheffield low bradfield 18/10/87 replacing Sheffield & district.from 31/03/91 route changed to serve both high and low bradfield in a loop. 264 rotherham worksop 02/04/87 replacing excelsior w/d 25/07/87 passing to SYT. 421 Sheffield shirecliffe Firth park 03/09/90 hourly evening mon-sat day service by sut (sheafline) and sundays by Chesterfield transport.extended to wincobank 25/02/91.extended to meadowhall 31/03/91 500 city clipper 08/08/88.w/d 30/03/91. 675 cowley view rd parson cross college.11/09/89 replacing Chesterfield transport.w/d August 90. 691 grenoside yewlands school 04/09/89 replacing Yorkshire traction.w/d August 90 replaced by sut sept 90. 693 Beighton Stradbroke college. 694 Halfway Stradbroke college 04/09/88 w/d 28/07/89 replaced by SYT. 695 Mosborough Stradbroke college 03/09/90. 700 Sheffield early bird 08/08/88 w/d 27/04/90.Replaced by new tender service 8 with 2 am journeys only 29/05/90. 719 Lowedges sheffield attercliffe works service one journey only 28/08/89 replaced Chesterfield transport.w/d August 90. 723/732 sheffield woodhouse Handsworth circle 08/07/90. 745 sheffield abbeydale totley king ecgbert 05/09/88. W/d August 90 replaced by syt. M58 sheffield gleadless owlthorpe crystal peaks.10/04/89. W/d 30/03/91. N97 sheffield nether edge 01/02/88 replaced syt N97 w/d 04/11/88. X39 sheffield huddersfield 26/10/86. |
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Post by simonk82701 on Mar 24, 2024 8:26:58 GMT
According to Hulley's Facebook page and other sources, the 80/80a is mostly being withdrawn. I wonder if any operator will take it on?
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Post by duncan on Mar 24, 2024 10:31:14 GMT
According to Hulley's Facebook page and other sources, the 80/80a is mostly being withdrawn. I wonder if any operator will take it on? So a tendered service i.e. one that needs help to run is being cancelled and you wonder if an operator is taking it on? I really hope you mean is it being re-tendered and not expecting an operator to take it on commercially. |
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Post by simonk82701 on Mar 24, 2024 14:26:18 GMT
According to Hulley's Facebook page and other sources, the 80/80a is mostly being withdrawn. I wonder if any operator will take it on? So a tendered service i.e. one that needs help to run is being cancelled and you wonder if an operator is taking it on? I really hope you mean is it being re-tendered and not expecting an operator to take it on commercially. No, I do indeed mean tendered. What I should have said is, will they find another operator willing to take it on with support? If Hulley's were the only one willing to before, I suppose it may have to be split up into two smaller routes, i.e. Killamarsh to Chesterfield and Killamarsh to Sheffield or Halfway, then a tram connection. It seems to be a needed route, but not that popular. |
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Post by teapot42 on Mar 24, 2024 19:00:49 GMT
Would be interesting to have confirmation what part of this route is subsidised. When they took it over, Hulleys said they were doing so on a commercial basis. As the evening and Sunday journeys were combined with the 170 which did have subsidy I believe this is the only part that could be considered to be tendered. Indeed, they altered the 55 to take over part of the previous 80 route through Spital and Hady to reduce journey times to try and make it viable with just 3 buses.
As Hulleys are keeping the section between Holymoorside and the Hospital there is no obvious option to tender without it being wasteful of resources. Three buses with the section that is left would mean 40 minutes layover, evening allowing more recovery time that's a lot. I don't know the Renishaw / Killamarsh area well enough to know what service would best meet the needs of locals. One option would be to extend the 74/74a, one going via Killamarsh to Crystal Peaks, the other via Renishaw to Eckington. That doesn't retain a link to the hospital though, and doesn't link Renishaw to Killamarsh.
I reckon it would be possible to extend the planned 84 via Brimington Common with a bit of interworking, but would benefit from BSIP funding to improve services to the West of Chesterfield.
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Post by The Captain on Mar 25, 2024 13:19:28 GMT
Best outcome for Killamarsh is to extend a 7 every hour from the Peaks, there's usually half an hour overlap in the daytime in the depot at Holbrook for driver takeovers.
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