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Post by Hyper on Apr 29, 2024 20:53:48 GMT
36186 and 36192 Ecclesfield - Rawmarsh
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Post by donc on Apr 30, 2024 15:21:50 GMT
36186 and 36192 Ecclesfield - Rawmarsh 36177 Barnsley - Eccelsfield There is already a Stagecoach Fleet in Rolling Stock section |
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Post by 63384 on May 1, 2024 6:50:24 GMT
I saw a Enviro 200MMC on the X17 yesterday.
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Post by meld on May 1, 2024 7:15:35 GMT
36186 and 36192 Ecclesfield - Rawmarsh 36177 Barnsley - Eccelsfield There is already a Stagecoach Fleet in Rolling Stock section Could one of the admins just move this to the relevant thread please, keep it all in one place so to speak |
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Post by ajp79 on May 1, 2024 9:04:17 GMT
It's always puzzled me as to why the Stagecoach thread is in the Rolling Stock section and the First one is just in the general Buses area. Shouldn't they both be in the same place?
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Post by teapot42 on May 1, 2024 19:36:06 GMT
I saw a Enviro 200MMC on the X17 yesterday. Not at all unusual. It's rare for all vehicles to be Gold and not that unusual to have single deckers on, at least during the day. They often get swapped out for the peak journeys, but not always.
The ex-Oxford 15 year old E400s seem to be out more and more as well, definitely vehicle shortages going on. I'd imagine at best they are going to get a few cascades before the EVs come in, and a lot of the fleet is getting to the age where running long days can cause problems.
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Post by 63384 on May 2, 2024 16:32:12 GMT
I saw a Enviro 200MMC on the X17 yesterday. Not at all unusual. It's rare for all vehicles to be Gold and not that unusual to have single deckers on, at least during the day. They often get swapped out for the peak journeys, but not always.
The ex-Oxford 15 year old E400s seem to be out more and more as well, definitely vehicle shortages going on. I'd imagine at best they are going to get a few cascades before the EVs come in, and a lot of the fleet is getting to the age where running long days can cause problems.
It seemed to handle the load very well. The MMCs of all sizes and decks are nice buses to ride on. The Enviros on the other hand, are horrid with their rock hard seating. I wouldn't fancy doing Matlock-Barnsley on an Enviro200! Fuel tank capacity is a determining factor in the length of diagram a bus is allocated to. For example, First SY couldn't allocate their Northern Counties Olympians to 12 hour diagrams, as they had lower fuel capacity than most other buses. I have seen 16 year old B9s work 12 hour plus shifts on the 52As and they made it up Walkley Lane umpteen times with no engine overheat etc. A lot of the Stagecoach fleet from 2006-2010 were poorly designed/built and so retired early, such as the ALX300s and the Plaxton Pointers. The one plus side of this Zebra business is that hopefully some Rawmarsh MMCs will be cascaded towards Sheffield & Chesterfield. |
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Post by teapot42 on May 2, 2024 20:43:13 GMT
It seemed to handle the load very well. The MMCs of all sizes and decks are nice buses to ride on. The Enviros on the other hand, are horrid with their rock hard seating. I wouldn't fancy doing Matlock-Barnsley on an Enviro200! Fuel tank capacity is a determining factor in the length of diagram a bus is allocated to. For example, First SY couldn't allocate their Northern Counties Olympians to 12 hour diagrams, as they had lower fuel capacity than most other buses. I have seen 16 year old B9s work 12 hour plus shifts on the 52As and they made it up Walkley Lane umpteen times with no engine overheat etc. A lot of the Stagecoach fleet from 2006-2010 were poorly designed/built and so retired early, such as the ALX300s and the Plaxton Pointers. The one plus side of this Zebra business is that hopefully some Rawmarsh MMCs will be cascaded towards Sheffield & Chesterfield. Well, I had just written a long and detailed reply to this but the forum dumped it with no way to recover...
In brief, don't forget Chesterfield are getting a load of EVs at some point, but hopefully will get some E200MMCs for the services that aren't going electric.
An E400 holds 275l/60gal of fuel for a range of around 400-600 miles depending on the route. A quick look suggests that a route like the 120 has a 25 mile round trip which at most will be run 7-8 times a day, so a but might even manage two days without refuelling. The X17 however is 80 miles from Matlock to Barnsley and back, although at most 4 round trip equivalents seem to be run. The Enviro400EV claims 385 miles range, so still just OK for the X17, depending how much impact the hills on the south part of the route and the higher speed motorway running has.
The 59 reg Gold buses apparently aren't ULEZ so will be getting charged for entering the Sheffield CAZ, making it odd that they are still using at least one most days on the X17, yet the newer ones are often seen on the 51 or 54.
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Post by 63384 on May 2, 2024 21:37:01 GMT
They'll probably end up putting the 59 plate Gold™ 400s on the Peak District breezer this year then. I've seen elsewhere that Stagecoach did a trial run with an enclosed top bus.
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Post by metromadman on May 2, 2024 21:59:27 GMT
I presume you mean if its torrential rain, subbing the actual open top, Peak District breezer branded buses for those on the odd day?
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Post by The Captain on May 2, 2024 22:31:00 GMT
They'll probably end up putting the 59 plate Gold™ 400s on the Peak District breezer this year then. I've seen elsewhere that Stagecoach did a trial run with an enclosed top bus. It was route learning. |
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Post by mojoe44 on May 2, 2024 22:34:14 GMT
All of the Chesterfield fleet are compliant with the Sheffield clean air zone apart from the remaining MAN E300 and the Solos (and the trident open top, maybe the Volvo as well, but they're not really relevant). As for the peak sighsteer a normal 'closed top' double decker was used on Saturday for route learning purely down to the weather that day. It will be operated by open toppers in service.
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Post by duncan on May 3, 2024 8:15:21 GMT
A quick look suggests that a route like the 120 has a 25 mile round trip which at most will be run 7-8 times a day, so a but might even manage two days without refuelling. The X17 however is 80 miles from Matlock to Barnsley and back, although at most 4 round trip equivalents seem to be run. The Enviro400EV claims 385 miles range, so still just OK for the X17, depending how much impact the hills on the south part of the route and the higher speed motorway running has. [/div]
[/quote] When will people eventually realise that the hills have very little effect on the range of an EV. For all the energy used climbing a hill there is the payback of regen when descending a hill |
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Post by teapot42 on May 3, 2024 8:43:34 GMT
Maybe learn a bit more about these things before treating people like idiots eh?
Regen is not 100% efficient.
It is also limited in the amount it can feed back in to the battery. I'd be very surprised if some friction braking wasn't necessary on Steep Hill and Cromford Hill.
It will help minimise the impact of the hills certainly, but dragging a heavy bus up steep hills, potentially at speed, will always use more energy than the typical flat urban running they use to calculate range.
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Post by teapot42 on May 3, 2024 9:06:19 GMT
All of the Chesterfield fleet are compliant with the Sheffield clean air zone apart from the remaining MAN E300 and the Solos (and the trident open top, maybe the Volvo as well, but they're not really relevant). Interesting that the government emissions checker website have some down as non-compliant. I only checked a handful, but the Gold 59 reg buses and the open toppers that were recently converted came back as having to pay.
Might it be their data is not current, or just plain wrong?
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