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Post by The Captain on Sept 13, 2023 20:04:54 GMT
Not sure what the 43A to Lowedges is all about unless it's to balance up the 86 going to 2 hours evenings and Sundays, and the 25A to Hemsworth?.
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Post by mojoe44 on Sept 13, 2023 20:40:31 GMT
43a to Lowedges is just a short working for a combined 15 minutes frequency between Meadow head and the city centre. As far as I'm aware it's just Monday-Saturday during the day. Personally I'd have thought a short 44 turning at Batemoor would make more sense but there must be a reason they've chosen Lowedges.
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Post by The Captain on Sept 13, 2023 20:46:03 GMT
43a to Lowedges is just a short working for a combined 15 minutes frequency between Meadow head and the city centre. As far as I'm aware it's just Monday-Saturday during the day. Personally I'd have thought a short 44 turning at Batemoor would make more sense but there must be a reason they've chosen Lowedges. Yeah overkill Lowedges doesn't need another bus when there's usually 2 76s, a 24 and a 25 all waiting time during the day. |
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Post by mojoe44 on Sept 13, 2023 20:58:28 GMT
Stagecoach Chesterfield from 29 October- the X17 gains an hourly evening service between Sheffield and Chesterfield - the 43 will have a more even frequency Mon-Sat daytime (every 30 mins rather than every 20/40) - the 43a is a new hourly service running the same way as the 43 from Sheffield to Meadowhead then to Lowedges - the 44 sees the evening and Sunday service extended beyond Dronfield to Chesterfield, funded by Derbyshire County Council. - The 50/50a has a route change plus more buses will run the full route to Chesterfield. There will also be extra Sunday morning buses funded by Derbyshire County Council. - The 80/80a, which was making a loss having not recovered patronage sufficiently after Covid, is withdrawn and partially replaced by a new Hulleys of Baslow service 80/80a. Also in Chesterfield buses 2/2a/2b and 25A are withdrawn and there are changes to the 1,1a,5,25,39,51,51a,54,54a,74,74a,77,77a,90,90a,90b. There are also minor timetable changes to the 15 and 16. bustimes.org/licences/PC1118599
I don't suppose you know when more detail of these changes will come out?
I'm particularly concerned about the withdrawal of the 2/2A as nothing seems planned to replace most of the route. Green Farm will get an extension of the 5, but Walton, Boythorpe, Brampton and Ashgate aren't mentioned on any other service.
It looks like the 90b will replace the 2b - I only hope it follows the 'normal' 90 route rather than the daft current arrangement of the 2b avoiding the local supermarket and therefore being of little use unless you want to go to the town centre.
I saw elsewhere mention of the X17 being extended to Walton - is this just the evening one? Day-time they extend to Matlock unless one is being re-routed?
Presumably the 43a is to replace the Sheffield 25, but why is it being run by Chesterfield depot? Personally, I'd reduce the through 43 to once and hour, but put on an express bus that runs via Dunston and Dronfield. More use to more people.
"Services 90/90a/90b- Completely revised with new service 90a/90b variants as follows:- Outbound service 90 will operate every 60' Monday to Saturday daytimes from Walton Shops to Creswell via Hunloke Avenue to Chesterfield (replacing services 2/2a), then current service 90 route to Staveley, then via Duckmanton, Markham Vale, Shuttlewood, Stanfree, Clowne to Creswell. In Creswell will run via Sheffield Road and Elmton Road which are currently unserved. Inbound, service 90 will operate every 60' Monday to Saturday daytimes from Creswell to Yew Tree Estate via current 77 route to Clowne, Stanfree, Shuttlewood, Markham Vale, Duckmanton to Staveley, then current service 90 route to Yew Tree Estate via Chesterfield, Chatsworth Road, and Walton Shops. Certain journeys will still serve Fan Road for Netherthorpe School on schooldays. Outbound service 90a will operate every 60' Monday to Saturday daytime from Yew Tree Estate to Staveley via current service 90 route including Walton Shops, Chatsworth Road, and Chesterfield, then via Poolsbrook to Markham Vale. Inbound service 90a will operate every 60' Monday to Saturday daytime from Markham Vale to Walton Shops via Poolsbrook to Staveley, then current service 90 route to Chesterfield, then via Hunloke Avenue to Walton Shops (replacing services 2/2a). Services 90/90a will together provide a bus every 30' between Chesterfield, Staveley, and Markham Vale during Monday to Saturday daytimes. On Monday to Saturday evenings and Sundays, service 90a will operate from Chesterfield to Yew Tree Estate via Hunloke Avenue and Walton Shops, replacing service 2b. Service 90b will operate evenings and Sundays only between Chesterfield and Markham Vale via current evening service 90 to Duckmanton then extended to Markham Vale in both directions. Additional early Sunday moming journeys introduced funded by DCC BSIP. The extension from Staveley to Markham Vale and Creswell is also funded by DCC BSIP." No change to x17 in Walton, and as far as I know nothing major changing with Sheffield 25s, at least during the day. Combining with the revised 43/44 there should be a more coordinated 8 buses an hour Meadowhead-city centre. 43s are well used enough round the estate in Dronfield to justify a half hourly frequency. If you made people walk to the main road through dronfield they'd be better off just getting the train anyway. |
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Post by teapot42 on Sept 13, 2023 21:14:24 GMT
OK, that's not good then. Interesting that until very recently the Stagecoach MD was assuring us no changes to the 90, yet it's being halved in frequency between Chesterfield and Yew Tree. It's probably not carrying that many of late, but that's because we've had 6 months of 1 or 2 out of 4 cancelled...
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Post by chapeltowncallum on Sept 14, 2023 7:14:53 GMT
Any idea as to route change for the 50/50a please "Timetable revised to improve punctuality. Service 50 will be extended from Birk Hill Estate to Chesterfield on Monday to Saturday daytimes. The 50 will run via West Street instead of Ravencar Road (service 50a provides an alternative) and via Sheffield Road instead of Windmill Greenway (service 120 provides an alternative). In Old Whittington, service 50a will operate direct via High Street rather than Burnbridge Road, Ashcroft Drive and Station Lane to reduce journey times and to give parts of High Street a service. Additional early Sunday morning journeys introduced, funded by DCC BSIP. Following driver feedback, inbound timing point at Whittington Moor changed to Pro Act Stadium." 25 going back to half hourly, 25a withdrawn and replaced with full 25. Was hoping it would divert down Station Road after mosborough towards halfway and join up with its route on Rotherham Road it would have been a nice quick way to and from halfway opposed to sitting on the 120 or tram for 30+ minutes with the 80a been withdrawn it would have been a nice alternative. |
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Post by teapot42 on Sept 14, 2023 8:04:37 GMT
"Services 90/90a/90b- Completely revised with new service 90a/90b variants as follows:- ... No change to x17 in Walton, and as far as I know nothing major changing with Sheffield 25s, at least during the day. Combining with the revised 43/44 there should be a more coordinated 8 buses an hour Meadowhead-city centre. 43s are well used enough round the estate in Dronfield to justify a half hourly frequency. If you made people walk to the main road through dronfield they'd be better off just getting the train anyway. Is this info publicly available, or are you quoting from an internal source? I'd be interested to know what's changing on the 5 as well, if it's picking up Green Farm then either the frequency is being reduced or it's interworking with something to take up the extra mileage.
Would it be OK to share the 90/2 changes? There are plenty of local people who would benefit from having decent warning their buses are about to be drastically reduced. So much for BSIP!
My idea for Dronfield was to have a half-hourly 43/44 loop from Sheffield then twice hourly fast buses via the Civic Centre. I think the Chesterfield to Sheffield 'corridor' would benefit from a combination of 3 or 4 fast buses fed in to by more local ones. Coming from Chesterfield or Dronfield you are most likely to be going in to Sheffield centre, so limited stop is much more attractive. I'd actually like to see some extend beyond the centre to the Uni and Hospital, and certainly 2x hourly to Meadowhall also has potential.
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Post by mojoe44 on Sept 14, 2023 8:56:39 GMT
"Services 90/90a/90b- Completely revised with new service 90a/90b variants as follows:- ... No change to x17 in Walton, and as far as I know nothing major changing with Sheffield 25s, at least during the day. Combining with the revised 43/44 there should be a more coordinated 8 buses an hour Meadowhead-city centre. 43s are well used enough round the estate in Dronfield to justify a half hourly frequency. If you made people walk to the main road through dronfield they'd be better off just getting the train anyway. Is this info publicly available, or are you quoting from an internal source? I'd be interested to know what's changing on the 5 as well, if it's picking up Green Farm then either the frequency is being reduced or it's interworking with something to take up the extra mileage.
Would it be OK to share the 90/2 changes? There are plenty of local people who would benefit from having decent warning their buses are about to be drastically reduced. So much for BSIP!
My idea for Dronfield was to have a half-hourly 43/44 loop from Sheffield then twice hourly fast buses via the Civic Centre. I think the Chesterfield to Sheffield 'corridor' would benefit from a combination of 3 or 4 fast buses fed in to by more local ones. Coming from Chesterfield or Dronfield you are most likely to be going in to Sheffield centre, so limited stop is much more attractive. I'd actually like to see some extend beyond the centre to the Uni and Hospital, and certainly 2x hourly to Meadowhall also has potential.
The 5 is being reduced to hourly with the addition of Green Farm so it still only needs one bus. The info is from an internal source so I'd prefer if it wasn't shared. Last time there were major changes there were a few small tweaks between the internal and public announcements so I wouldn't want anyone getting worked up over what could be a mistake or subject to change. I actually only posted here as I thought the info was already publicly available based on a previous post. I think the announcement will be quite soon though. |
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Post by teapot42 on Sept 14, 2023 9:23:34 GMT
The info is from an internal source so I'd prefer if it wasn't shared. Last time there were major changes there were a few small tweaks between the internal and public announcements so I wouldn't want anyone getting worked up over what could be a mistake or subject to change. I actually only posted here as I thought the info was already publicly available based on a previous post. I think the announcement will be quite soon though. OK, noted. Would it be an issue raising this with local Councillors to put pressure on DCC to find a way to improve the 90 situation? Just that the frequency is being cut, not the detail you posted.
The 5 always struck me as an odd route. Personally, I think a radial route around Chesterfield picking up areas like Newbold, Green Farm, even Brimington Common and feeding in to the axial routes would work well, but when I suggested that years back it was dismissed out of hand. The idea of an urban area only getting hourly buses just doesn't seem right, especially when there is supposedly a BSIP in place for the county.
I certainly hope the announcement is in good time - of late they have seemed to come only a week or so before the changes come in to effect. Previously Stagecoach used to publish the proposal well in advance and ask for feedback, they seem to have moved away from that approach of late which is a shame, but probably easier for them than having to deal with irate passengers.
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Post by mojoe44 on Sept 14, 2023 9:45:07 GMT
The info is from an internal source so I'd prefer if it wasn't shared. Last time there were major changes there were a few small tweaks between the internal and public announcements so I wouldn't want anyone getting worked up over what could be a mistake or subject to change. I actually only posted here as I thought the info was already publicly available based on a previous post. I think the announcement will be quite soon though. OK, noted. Would it be an issue raising this with local Councillors to put pressure on DCC to find a way to improve the 90 situation? Just that the frequency is being cut, not the detail you posted.
The 5 always struck me as an odd route. Personally, I think a radial route around Chesterfield picking up areas like Newbold, Green Farm, even Brimington Common and feeding in to the axial routes would work well, but when I suggested that years back it was dismissed out of hand. The idea of an urban area only getting hourly buses just doesn't seem right, especially when there is supposedly a BSIP in place for the county.
I certainly hope the announcement is in good time - of late they have seemed to come only a week or so before the changes come in to effect. Previously Stagecoach used to publish the proposal well in advance and ask for feedback, they seem to have moved away from that approach of late which is a shame, but probably easier for them than having to deal with irate passengers.
I don't see why not but to be honest with DCC already being involved in these changes I can't see them doing anything. And to be honest while I'm sure it's pretty inconvenient having your service reduced I really don't think passenger numbers over the last few years justify the current provision, even before the operational difficulties of the last few months. Recently announcements have been very late due to delays with tendering and last minute changes imposed mostly by SYMCA. DCC seem to be a bit better generally. Whether the South Yorkshire changes will again affect the timescale for the Derbyshire announcement I don't know. |
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Post by alemaster on Sept 14, 2023 10:35:36 GMT
OK, noted. Would it be an issue raising this with local Councillors to put pressure on DCC to find a way to improve the 90 situation? Just that the frequency is being cut, not the detail you posted. The 5 always struck me as an odd route. Personally, I think a radial route around Chesterfield picking up areas like Newbold, Green Farm, even Brimington Common and feeding in to the axial routes would work well, but when I suggested that years back it was dismissed out of hand. The idea of an urban area only getting hourly buses just doesn't seem right, especially when there is supposedly a BSIP in place for the county.
I certainly hope the announcement is in good time - of late they have seemed to come only a week or so before the changes come in to effect. Previously Stagecoach used to publish the proposal well in advance and ask for feedback, they seem to have moved away from that approach of late which is a shame, but probably easier for them than having to deal with irate passengers.
I don't see why not but to be honest with DCC already being involved in these changes I can't see them doing anything. And to be honest while I'm sure it's pretty inconvenient having your service reduced I really don't think passenger numbers over the last few years justify the current provision, even before the operational difficulties of the last few months. Recently announcements have been very late due to delays with tendering and last minute changes imposed mostly by SYMCA. DCC seem to be a bit better generally. Whether the South Yorkshire changes will again affect the timescale for the Derbyshire announcement I don't know. Stagecoach Yorkshire have said on Twitter that the Chesterfield changes will be posted on stagecoachbus.com at some point in the next few days. Remember there is a bigger picture with many changes relating to Derbyshire County Council and South Yorkshire Mayoral Combined Authority tenders as well as commercial changes and it isn't helpful to announce piecemeal - the whole carry on with the 80/80a is a perfect example with people hearing "Stagecoach will no longer be running the 80/80a" without the bigger picture that includes "Hulleys will run a new 80/80a". There is no getting away from the fact that cuts are coming. The fact is less people are buying tickets whilst the costs of providing the service has shot up and local authorities only have a limited budget to subsidise tendered services. Everywhere that has a bus now will still have a bus of some description. There are also positive developments including improved evening services between Sheffield and Chesterfield. |
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Post by teapot42 on Sept 14, 2023 11:12:21 GMT
I'm new on this board, is there a reason why some posts don't have a 'Quote' button?
To respond to mojoe44, numbers on the 90 have been fairly good when I've used or seen it, until the last few months when they've tanked because people can't rely on it. I did always have a fear it would be reduced when other services were getting cut, but I'd hoped Stagecoach would keep a minimum half-hourly provision on all routes. I wonder why they can't run both from Yew Tree and split between Walton Shops and Chesterfield, that would at least retain the half-hourly provision for the parts of Walton and Somersall that aren't within reach of any other services. The section where they would split is walkable to other routes so an hourly run there would cause less pain. Still not be great, but less impact, especially as the section between Walton Shops and Yew Tree has a lot of older customers who might not be able to walk as far to an alternative.
And, Alemaster, parts of the 2/2A aren't being replaced, and since the 170 no longer serves Old Road that means even further to the nearest bus for some. Understand the funding limitations, but when considerable sums have been spend on 2x hourly Chesterfield to Matlock and the open topper, to lose local services makes you wonder if the funds are well spent.
Better services between Chesterfield and Sheffield aren't much use if you can't then get to the suburb you live in. I do wish Stagecoach would try to innovate more rather than cutting services to the bone and merging routes, leaving services people just don't want to use as they are too convoluted.
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Post by crossscythe on Sept 14, 2023 11:48:24 GMT
Will this 25A be running up Derbyshire Lane and round the north eastern end of Graves' Park? Will it terminate in the city centre? I can't see Woodhouse needing ANOTHER bus service running there.
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Post by TC60054 on Sept 14, 2023 13:30:20 GMT
Stagecoach Chesterfield buses that run into South Yorkshire - there are changes from 29 October affecting routes 43/43a/44, 50/50a and X17 plus of course the 80/80a already mentioned which will be replaced by a Hulleys 80/80a Holymoorside-Crystal Peaks service. No word on Stagecoach services from South Yorkshire depots yet, nor of any changes from TM Travel, First etc. Most of these changes are likely to be driven by SYMCA cuts to tendered evening/Sunday services and I believe those contracts have only just been awarded so there is probably much to be finalised before any public announcement. As a result of the September changes, some X17s now extend to Walton. It's proving a very popular route overall, the Meadowhall end of the network is surprisingly busy. One X17 has always extended to (or beyond) Walton as the Walton Flyer. Before that it was the Holymoorside Flyer. A peak time extension to the Chesterfield terminators. |
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Post by ady1977 on Sept 14, 2023 13:40:37 GMT
when the 90/90a/90b start are the evening and sunday services still going to be every 30 or 60 mins or is it staying as it is now in the evening just one bus an hour and i take it the sunday and evening services arent running to creswell only markham vale
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