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Post by 63384 on Aug 27, 2024 20:32:18 GMT
12170 CD-HK 36994 off fleet (stored at Rawmarsh). 36994 stored until repair? It probably will be for repair given it's low age and the fact that Chesterfield are keen to take on more E200s. |
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Post by Mainline on Aug 27, 2024 21:08:39 GMT
36994 stored until repair? It probably will be for repair given it's low age and the fact that Chesterfield are keen to take on more E200s. Low age? It's a 10-11 year old bus that's been involved in a major RTC. |
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Post by metromadman on Aug 27, 2024 21:22:02 GMT
36994 stored until repair? It probably will be for repair given it's low age and the fact that Chesterfield are keen to take on more E200s. So because of its "low age", it'll get repaired-even if the costs of the repairs far outweigh the value of the bus? I'd say leave it to the professionals and the insurance, who'll assses it on a lot more criteria other than its age! Are Chesterfield "keen" to take on more E200s, or do they just need more midibuses/vehicles, and theres an abundence of E200s?... They've also bidded and won funding to upgrade most/all their fleet to electric, so anything diesel going to Chesterfield will be relatively short lived there in the grand scheme of things. |
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Post by 63384 on Aug 27, 2024 21:26:12 GMT
It probably will be for repair given it's low age and the fact that Chesterfield are keen to take on more E200s. Low age? It's a 10-11 year old bus that's been involved in a major RTC. A similar age circa 10 years to the E400 milk float that knocked a Supertram stanchion down on Glossop Road and got repaired a few years ago, 10 years old at the time and a major RTC. |
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Post by 63384 on Aug 27, 2024 21:28:07 GMT
Is 36994 the one that hit the motorcyclist at Topley Pike (Near Tideswell)?
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Post by teapot42 on Aug 28, 2024 9:06:33 GMT
Is 36994 the one that hit the motorcyclist at Topley Pike (Near Tideswell)? Last tracked on the 10, and I recall reading of an accident between a bus and a car at the Abbeydale Road junction. Might be 2+2=5 though.
Chesterfield do need more E200s or Solos as they've just taken on rural routes near Matlock, plus there are proposed changes from October which increase frequency on some routes in Chesterfield. There are some cuts, but they are fairly minor so I think overall it's a small increase.
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Post by ady1977 on Aug 28, 2024 9:44:54 GMT
chesterfield will have the ones back that have transfered down south wont they or are they staying down there so that would be 3 extra buses back
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Post by metromadman on Aug 28, 2024 10:22:34 GMT
Low age? It's a 10-11 year old bus that's been involved in a major RTC. A similar age circa 10 years to the E400 milk float that knocked a Supertram stanchion down on Glossop Road and got repaired a few years ago, 10 years old at the time and a major RTC. But that doesn’t and hasn’t set the precedent, and the repair for that will not have been based just on age. The repairs to that hybrid were also essentially rebuild from another scrap hybrid (Manchester). Assuming the insurance works similarly to how it does on cars, the cost of the repairs (parts, labour etc) is calculated, and then put against the value of the vehicle (various factors affect the value of a vehicle, the older it is, the less value, but also the mileage can have an impact on the value, along with any other defects). Insurance will always calculate replacement parts on essentially brand new parts (they’ll not search eBay etc to see if they can get the parts for cheaper) and also factor in labour costs for the installation of that part. In the case of the hybrid, Stagecoach may have bought the vehicle off the insurance company, because they knew most of the parts required could be sourced off the Manchester ones that were sat awaiting scrap, and any damage to structural/chassis components could be easily and/or cheaply rectified. You need to take a much broader look when coming out with statements like this, and consider more than just the age of the vehicle. A 2017(ish) E400MMC in Liverpool got scrapped after an arson attack, that would’ve been 6(ish) years old at the time. |
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Post by teapot42 on Aug 28, 2024 11:21:33 GMT
Assuming the insurance works similarly to how it does on cars... I recall reading a long time back that there was an alternative to insurance where you could post a bond that would be used to cover any damage caused and then in effect self-insure. Does that still exist (at the time only Royal Mail seemed to do it that way) and if so, do Stagecoach follow that path, or do they insure their fleet?
If insurance is involved on both sides then who is at fault will determine whether the vehicle is written off - my understanding from a past claim is if you are claiming from your own insurance then they can decide to write a vehicle off, but if claiming from another party then you can choose to have it repaired even if the cost is more than the value. (Although you then can't claim the full cost of the repair)
Of course even if written off you can still buy it back and repair it. The decision either way would come if Stagecoach feel they can do the repair for less than what they can claim using donor / second hand parts as you suggest. It might in itself be used as a source of donor parts.
There is even the possibility that for legal or insurance reasons they've been told to store it pending further investigations.
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Post by 63384 on Aug 28, 2024 12:07:26 GMT
A similar age circa 10 years to the E400 milk float that knocked a Supertram stanchion down on Glossop Road and got repaired a few years ago, 10 years old at the time and a major RTC. But that doesn’t and hasn’t set the precedent, and the repair for that will not have been based just on age. The repairs to that hybrid were also essentially rebuild from another scrap hybrid (Manchester). Assuming the insurance works similarly to how it does on cars, the cost of the repairs (parts, labour etc) is calculated, and then put against the value of the vehicle (various factors affect the value of a vehicle, the older it is, the less value, but also the mileage can have an impact on the value, along with any other defects). Insurance will always calculate replacement parts on essentially brand new parts (they’ll not search eBay etc to see if they can get the parts for cheaper) and also factor in labour costs for the installation of that part. In the case of the hybrid, Stagecoach may have bought the vehicle off the insurance company, because they knew most of the parts required could be sourced off the Manchester ones that were sat awaiting scrap, and any damage to structural/chassis components could be easily and/or cheaply rectified. You need to take a much broader look when coming out with statements like this, and consider more than just the age of the vehicle. A 2017(ish) E400MMC in Liverpool got scrapped after an arson attack, that would’ve been 6(ish) years old at the time. An arson attack in comparison to a standard RTC? Wow. I don't think the two are comparible. An arson attack could cause the whole wiring system to be out, widespread damage to the body work and chassis, it's literally nearly always a right off after a bus is set up in flames. |
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Post by metromadman on Aug 28, 2024 12:48:02 GMT
But that doesn’t and hasn’t set the precedent, and the repair for that will not have been based just on age. The repairs to that hybrid were also essentially rebuild from another scrap hybrid (Manchester). Assuming the insurance works similarly to how it does on cars, the cost of the repairs (parts, labour etc) is calculated, and then put against the value of the vehicle (various factors affect the value of a vehicle, the older it is, the less value, but also the mileage can have an impact on the value, along with any other defects). Insurance will always calculate replacement parts on essentially brand new parts (they’ll not search eBay etc to see if they can get the parts for cheaper) and also factor in labour costs for the installation of that part. In the case of the hybrid, Stagecoach may have bought the vehicle off the insurance company, because they knew most of the parts required could be sourced off the Manchester ones that were sat awaiting scrap, and any damage to structural/chassis components could be easily and/or cheaply rectified. You need to take a much broader look when coming out with statements like this, and consider more than just the age of the vehicle. A 2017(ish) E400MMC in Liverpool got scrapped after an arson attack, that would’ve been 6(ish) years old at the time. An arson attack in comparison to a standard RTC? Wow. I don't think the two are comparible. An arson attack could cause the whole wiring system to be out, widespread damage to the body work and chassis, it's literally nearly always a right off after a bus is set up in flames. I wasn’t comparing the MMC to the E200…that’s you that compares one end of the spectrum to the other. I was simply pointing out age isn’t the only factor. Come on then know it all…what damage does the E200 have exactly from its RTC…do tell… Also, just for the record, I’m not disagreeing it won’t get repaired (as I don’t know what damage it even has, or what the circumstances were), I’m disagreeing that you think it’ll be repaired just based on its age and nothing else. |
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Post by 63384 on Aug 28, 2024 13:01:21 GMT
An arson attack in comparison to a standard RTC? Wow. I don't think the two are comparible. An arson attack could cause the whole wiring system to be out, widespread damage to the body work and chassis, it's literally nearly always a right off after a bus is set up in flames. I wasn’t comparing the MMC to the E200…that’s you that compares one end of the spectrum to the other. I was simply pointing out age isn’t the only factor. Come on then know it all…what damage does the E200 have exactly from its RTC…do tell… Also, just for the record, I’m not disagreeing it won’t get repaired (as I don’t know what damage it even has, or what the circumstances were), I’m disagreeing that you think it’ll be repaired just based on its age and nothing else. A low speed collision, the damage would be minimal if all. If it was at a significant speed with something heavy, such as a bin lorry, then there could be parts such as headlight frames, glass panels etc that need replacing. I believe this was the bus that hit a motorbike at Topley Pike. If that is the case, the damage will be very minimal. |
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Post by metromadman on Aug 28, 2024 14:13:40 GMT
I wasn’t comparing the MMC to the E200…that’s you that compares one end of the spectrum to the other. I was simply pointing out age isn’t the only factor. Come on then know it all…what damage does the E200 have exactly from its RTC…do tell… Also, just for the record, I’m not disagreeing it won’t get repaired (as I don’t know what damage it even has, or what the circumstances were), I’m disagreeing that you think it’ll be repaired just based on its age and nothing else. A low speed collision, the damage would be minimal if all. If it was at a significant speed with something heavy, such as a bin lorry, then there could be parts such as headlight frames, glass panels etc that need replacing. I believe this was the bus that hit a motorbike at Topley Pike. If that is the case, the damage will be very minimal. Thank you for explaining the dynamics of collision, however, that’s pretty much common sense. How have you come to the conclusion that the E200 involved in the Topley Pike incident “is very minimal” damage? Again, im not disagreeing with that, because I don’t know what damage it sustained, I’d just be interested to know how you’ve come to that conclusion. |
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Post by 63384 on Aug 28, 2024 15:22:31 GMT
A low speed collision, the damage would be minimal if all. If it was at a significant speed with something heavy, such as a bin lorry, then there could be parts such as headlight frames, glass panels etc that need replacing. I believe this was the bus that hit a motorbike at Topley Pike. If that is the case, the damage will be very minimal. Thank you for explaining the dynamics of collision, however, that’s pretty much common sense. How have you come to the conclusion that the E200 involved in the Topley Pike incident “is very minimal” damage? Again, im not disagreeing with that, because I don’t know what damage it sustained, I’d just be interested to know how you’ve come to that conclusion. Because a bicycle versus a steel-framed, 9+ ton bus will result in little to none damage. The balance of weight will mean that the impact of the collision is diverted to the bicycle and the toughened steel chassis will smash and crush the bicycle on impact. The bus was impounded by policemen I believe and returned to a Stagecoach Yorkshire depot, I believe Stonegravels is a very small depot so probably gone to Rawmarsh to be off fleet whilst any minor damage is sorted out, cracked number plates etc. |
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Post by metromadman on Aug 28, 2024 16:15:22 GMT
Thank you for explaining the dynamics of collision, however, that’s pretty much common sense. How have you come to the conclusion that the E200 involved in the Topley Pike incident “is very minimal” damage? Again, im not disagreeing with that, because I don’t know what damage it sustained, I’d just be interested to know how you’ve come to that conclusion. Because a bicycle versus a steel-framed, 9+ ton bus will result in little to none damage. The balance of weight will mean that the impact of the collision is diverted to the bicycle and the toughened steel chassis will smash and crush the bicycle on impact. The bus was impounded by policemen I believe and returned to a Stagecoach Yorkshire depot, I believe Stonegravels is a very small depot so probably gone to Rawmarsh to be off fleet whilst any minor damage is sorted out, cracked number plates etc. Now its clear you really don't have a clue and are once again talking absolute bull**** yet again.... Error 1 - the crash at Topley Pike (if it was 36994 or another one) involved a bus and a motorcyle, not a bicyle. Error 2 - weight isn't the only factor in a collision, speed also plays a massive factor, even more so than weight! Error 3 - we are in year 2024, men aeren't the only police officers, so how are you so certain it was a "policeman" the impounded it? Error 4 - Stonegravels is considerably (possibly twice if not 3 times the size) bigger than Rawmarsh. In case it didn't reach you, only a few weeks back, there was a dreadful and highly publicised incident between Barnsley and West Yorkshire involving a car and a motorbike, and trust me, just because the bike weighed less than the car, it didn't mean the bike crushed on impacted against the toughened steel chassis of the car, and the car came off with "minimal damage". Maybe base your suggestions/theories on at least a little bit of evidence, rather than make belief. |
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