Preservation/Restoration News (Read 17,073 times)

[gareth388]

Apr 8, 2012 9:28:03 GMT atlantean said:

Apr 7, 2012 22:59:06 GMT transit said:

.....now entered the Autopsy Dept of Bus Preservation - TINSLEY, NOT OPEN TO PUBLIC , AND NEVER WILL BE
Will it ever be seen again - before being scrapped , cannbilsed, left to rot , sold on for a few quid ect ---- or the faint hope of ONE DAY being veiwed by enthusiasts once more !!! - (5 yrs +!?)
As with all vehicles down there , many thanks for the pics of entering the premises - when will we see some finished products emerging apart from sold on

I couldn’t have put it better myself transit, the Tinsley ‘black hole’ has become the final destination for far too many of South Yorkshire’s iconic buses.

I had to laugh when I saw this picture on Flickr of Felix 42 being put into shame by Sheffield 874,

Felix 42 and Sheffield 874 by gareth388, on Flickr

It seems the irony of parking them side by side is lost among the ranks of Tinsley.

The AEC Alexander 874 Group surely cannot be proud to see their fine and beautifully restored vehicle being lined up for comparison with a bus that has spent the last 34 years in a field.

Have you any idea of the time, effort and money that goes into a proper vehicle restoration?? - not just painting the dented panels, blinds in and ticket machine on!
Consider how long it has taken for other 'privately owned' vehicles in the area to emerge fully restored. Terry Ellin's Commet Coach at the SYTM for example.

If it was not for the SYTT then there would not be a collection of vehicles for enthusiats to eventually see!!
If the SYTT is doing such a bad job then perhaps you should come down to the Sheds and advise us on what you think we should be doing - or see first hand the effort and expenditure that is going into several vehciles down there?
Perhaps you should take on one of the Trust owned vehicles, throw a few thousand pounds at it and restore it yourself so that one of the 'lost iconic vehicles' is back on the road?

It is worth pointing out at this stage that the majority of the vehicles at the SYTT are privately owned and it is up to them what they do with them. This includes Felix 42.
We helped the owner move it because that is what the SYTT do, and over time will help him restore it. Whats best - in a field going back to nature, or under cover??

The B10 is also privately owned. The owner, as with all residents can have as much or as little help as he wants from the SYTT.

If a vehicle is privately owned and owner wants to park it up for years, do nothing with it and then sell it for scrap or otherwise dispose of it then that is their decision and we can do nothing about it.

I can also assure you that the AEC Alexander Group are very pleased that Felix 42 has joined it at the SYTT.

As for the Open Day, well yes we would like to have one, as if nothing else it will stop people moaning!
However we can't due to the state of the building. We could make it so we could have an Open Day, but this would mean spend time money and energy on the building, which would detract from the vehicle work.
As the building will be restored in any case there is no point in spending money on it now, only for the tempory work to be undone when the grant funded work starts.
The prioity for SYTT has to be to continue to ensure that the Tram Sheds are restored and attend all the various meetings that are necessary with the HLF etc. Whatever shape the vehicle collection takes in the future then it is ESSENTIAL that it has a clean, dry, heated roof over it. With the Tram Sheds project that is exactly what we are doing - Restoring an iconic Sheffield building and have roof over the vehcile collection for the rest of our lives and beyond.
Those who have been involved with similar projects will be well aware of the time and effort this takes to achieve.

The Tram Sheds is not open to the public but private guided tours have always been possible. If you want to come and have a look at the vehicles being restored in the so called 'Black Hole', then the door is open.

[paddy1534]

I reiterate all of the above, bus restoration is an incredibly expensive hobby and with the cost of metal and the current economic climate it all adds to the pressure.

[busman3]

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It seems the irony of parking them side by side is lost among the ranks of Tinsley.

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Parking them together is a good idea perhaps you can tell me what the conection or possible conection is between the felix and sheffield transport -I am sure all the experts on here can tell me ;D

[atlantean]

Thank-you Gareth for your informative reply, please rest assured that neither myself nor I suspect Transit were knocking the overall objectives and activities of the SYTT. The comments are more directed toward the fact that vehicles are seen going in to Tinsley after which there is a lack of any signs of visible progress due partly to the place not being able to host open days and the fact that news does not tend to be shared with outsiders.

[duncan]

Apr 9, 2012 11:26:47 GMT atlantean said:

Thank-you Gareth for your informative reply, please rest assured that neither myself nor I suspect Transit were knocking the overall objectives and activities of the SYTT. The comments are more directed toward the fact that vehicles are seen going in to Tinsley after which there is a lack of any signs of visible progress due partly to the place not being able to host open days and the fact that news does not tend to be shared with outsiders.

I completely agree with the above. The flow of information from Tinsley is very poor.

[gareth388]

The easiest way to keep updated on matters at Tinsley is to see it on Facebook. This is updated most frequently.
www.facebook.com/SYTTrust#!/SYTTrust.

There is a high quality in house newsletter for members, which we aim to produce 4 times a year. This sometimes does not appear this often due other committments, but for anyone that is a member there is a bumper edition at the printers now.

There's no secrets at Tinsley, if you want to know whats going on then just ask. Either on here, on the SYTT Facebook, or PM me.

You can also have private tours. Again Just ask.

[transit]

As Atlantean above says , no malice was intended - i only put what others are thinking
I too is/was a member , but got no renewal reminder and the Ebay Paypal link has gone to renew .
Thanks for the Facebook link - at least we now can hopefully see and hear of the progress down there !

[gareth388]

Transit, I've re-instated the membership link etc, so it now should work ok. Your membership renewal will be with your next newsletter. Should have them back from the printers on Friday.

[transit]

...will happily re-new .
Thanks for clarifying and updating us of the situation down at Tinsley .

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‎904 to look a bit more attractive for the new season, going to make a new panel on Saturday. The old one (which was more body filler than aluminium) has been removed and started to have the steel underneath cleaned up. It was like that when the museum inherited the vehicle from First Group.

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Panel removed and steel underneath has started to be treated for a new panel to be fitted at the weekend

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This is a list of the surviving buses ordered by and delivered to South Yorkshire PTE (it excludes those owned / ordered by constituent companies which I will list another time) that I am aware of. Corrections would be welcomed.

Single-deckers

80 KCR 108P Leyland National 10351/2R / Leyland (ex Portsmouth) - Tinsley

79 KSO 74P Leyland National 10351/2R / Leyland (ex Grampian) - Alford

11 AAK 111T Leyland National 10351B/1R / Leyland - Tinsley

1075 FWA 475V Leyland National NL106L11/1R / Leyland - Tinsley

22 KWA 22W Leyland National NL116L11/1R / Leyland - Tinsley

76 B976 DWG Dennis Dorchester / Plaxton - Aldwarke
(B674 GWJ)

41 C41 HDT Dennis Domino / Optare - Dinnington / Whitwell?

46 C46 HDT Dennis Domino / Optare - Dinnington / Whitwell?

53 C53 HDT Dennis Domino / Optare - Tinsley

61 C61 LHL Ford Transit / Caryle - Tinsley


Bendi-buses

2006 CRM 927T Leyland-DAB / Leyland - Winkleigh

2009 FHE 292V Leyland-DAB / Leyland - Winkleigh

2010 FWA 450V Leyland-DAB / Leyland - Winkleigh

2013 C113 HDT Leyland-DAB /Leyland-DAB - Tinsley

Double-deckers

377 LWB 377P Ailsa B55-10 / Van-Hool McArdle - Tinsley

388 LWB 388P Ailsa B55-10 / Van-Hool McArdle - Tinsley

1647 XWG 647T Leyland Atlantean AN68A/1R / Roe - Cork, Irish Republic

1655 XWG 655T Leyland Atlantean AN68A/1R / Roe - Tinsley

1696 CWG 696V Leyland Atlantean AN68A/1R / Alexander - Tinsley

1707 CWG 707V Leyland Atlantean AN68A/1R / Alexander - Tinsley

1756 CWG 756V Leyland Atlantean AN68A/1R / Roe - Aldwarke

1861 JHE 161W Metrobus DR104 / MCW - Tinsley

1781 JKW 281W Leyland Atlantean AN68B/1R / Alexander - Aldwarke

1790 JKW 290W Leyland Atlantean AN68B/1R / Alexander - Tinsley

1831 JKW 331W Leyland Atlantean AN68B/1R / Marshall - Tinsley

2120 KKU 120W Dennis Dominator / Alexander - Tinsley

2214 NKU 214X Dennis Dominator / Alexander - Blackpool

2260 SDT 260Y Dennis Dominator / Alexander - Blackpool

2288 UWJ 288Y Dennis Dominator / Alexander - Tinsley

2298 A298 XAK Dennis Dominator / Alexander - Tinsley

2317 A317 XAK Dennis Dominator / Northern Counties - Tinsley

1918 A118 XWE Metrobus DR104 / MCW - Tinsley

2414 A414 YAK Dennis Dominator / Alexander - Tinsley

2361 B361 CDT Dennis Domiator / East Lancs - Tinsley

2450 C45 HDT Dennis Dominator / Alexander –hybrid trolleybus - Sandtoft

2457 C877 JWE Dennis Dominator / Alexander - Tinsley

2462 C882 JWE Dennis Dominator / Alexander - ?

2474 D474 OWE Dennis Dominator / Alexander - ?

2479 D479 OWE Dennis Dominator / Alexander - Tinsley

2489 D489 OWE Dennis Dominator / Alexander - Tinsley

[littlenipper]

41 46 still in owners garden.
1720 Scrapped
2214 & 2260 with M3 preservation group blackpool.
www.flickr.com/photos/m3presman/sets/72157603139229081/

Full list as of dec 2013 at tinsley.

- M1, M10, M52, Rotherham Matador, 11, 22, 53, 61(Transit), 80, 150, 257, 312, 377, 388, 767, 836, 874, 1043, 1075, 1126, 1163, 1136, 1206, 1515, 1534, 1589, 1655, 1696, 1707, 1790, 1831, 1861, 1918, 2013, 2120, 2288, 2298, 2317, 2361, 2414, 2457, 2479, 2489.

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This is a list of the surviving motor buses acquired from / ordered by the municipals that formed South Yorkshire PTE that I am aware of. Corrections would be welcomed.

Sheffield (SJOC/STD)

Single-deckers

216 JWB 416 Leyland PS1 / Weymann - Aldwarke

54 DWB 54H AEC Swift / Park Royal - Aldwarke

Double-deckers

116 OWE 116 AEC Regent III / Roe - Aldwarke

687 RWB 87 Leyland PD2/12 / Weymann - Aldwarke

525 1925 WA AEC Bridgemaster / Park Royal - Yorkshire Heritage Bus Company

1156 3156 WE Leyland PD2/30 / Roe - Aldwarke
(3156)

904 3904 WE Leyland PD3/1 / Roe (used as DIV) - Aldwarke
(D14)

1330 6330 WJ AEC Regent V / Roe - Aldwarke

874 7874 WJ AEC Regent V / Alexander - Tinsley

1357 657 BWB Leyland Atlantean PDR1/1 / Park Royal (used as DIV) - Sandtoft
(227 – M120)

1148 DWB 148H Leyland Atlantean PDR2/1 / Park Royal converted to roadshow bus - Aldwarke
(748)

257 NWA 257K Daimler Fleetline /Alexander - Tinsley

271 OWE 271K Bristol VRT / East Lancs - Wythall

287 SWB 287L Leyland Atlantean / Alexander converted to open topper - ?

296 UWA 296L Leyland Atlantean / Alexander - Aldwarke

312 UWA 312L Leyland Atlantean / East Lancs - Tinsley

754 WWJ 754M Daimler Fleetline / Park Royal - Sandtoft

Ordered by STD delivered to SYPTE

836 GNA 836N Daimler Fleetline / ECW - Tinsley

1515 OKW 515R Daimler Fleetline / MCW (DMS style) - Tinsley

1534 PWE 534R Daimler Fleetline / Alexander - Tinsley

Double-deckers cut down

3108 CWJ 410 AEC Regent / Weymann converted to tower wagon - Crich
(TW58)

4624 GWJ 724 AEC Regent / Sheffield converted to gritting/towing wagon - Aldwarke
(G54)

255 KWE 255 AEC Regent III / Roe converted to gritting/towing wagon - Aldwarke
(G55)

913 3913 WE Leyland PD3/1 / Roe converted to gritting/towing wagon - Tinsley
(M10) (OWJ 357A)

475 4475 WE Leyland PD3/1 / Roe converted to gritting/towing wagon - Tinsley
(M52) (OWJ 388A)

Rotherham (RCT)

Double-deckers

213 HET 513 Crossley DD42/8 / Crossley - Wroughton

220 KET 220 Daimler CVG6DD / Weymann - Aldwarke

Double-deckers cut down

135 TET 135 Daimler CVG6-30 / Roe converted to towing wagon - Aldwarke
(R59)

Doncaster (DCT)

Single-deckers

22 MDT 222 AEC Regal / Roe - Sandtoft

33 433 MDT Leyland Tiger Cub / Roe - Sandtoft

43 FDT 43C Leyland Royal Tiger Cub 1/1 / Roe - Tinsley

55 UDT 455F Leyland Royal Tiger Cub 1/2 / Roe - Sandtoft

Double-deckers

94 EDT 703 Leyland PD2/1 / Roe - Sandtoft

112 GDT 421 Daimler CVD6 / Roe - Sandtoft

122 KDT 393 AEC Regent III / Roe - Lincoln

144 TDT 344 AEC Regent V / Roe - Whitwell / Dinnington ?

188 388 KDT Leyland PD2/40 / Roe (used as DIV) - Aldwarke
(D12)

206 KDT 206D Daimler CVG6 / Roe - Tinsley

Ordered by DCT delivered to SYPTE

1589 UDT 189S Leyland Atlantean AN68A/1R / East Lancs - Tinsley

Double-deckers cut down

175 475 HDT Leyland PD3/4 / Roe converted to towing wagon - Blackpool
(M3) (OWJ 353A)

176 476 HDT Leyland PD3/4 / Roe converted to towing wagon - ?
(M4) (OWJ 354A)

[littlenipper]

287 with SUSSEX WASTE RECYCLING LTD -

www.flickr.com/photos/fido100/4961199077/in/photolist-cUakJf-8yprD8-bRoNbB-csbYZY-csbZLE-csc1DJ-csbY33-ezyEqd-dfcrKt-8vnEdB-csfjG5-dfcxKR-csfiZQ-iAfFdr-93DMmK-cp2HqY-9HDdEk-93DMmH-eetjHw-8MhobT